I’d consider a 5700x3d if that’s true to replace my 5800x for the lower power draw and better thermals while getting a solid bump in games also. Seems like a win to me.
gran turismo sand
Does this mean I can finally download a car?
What about Ryzen 9?
AM4 was released in 2017 and will still get something in 2024… AMD really cherishes each socket.
It was actually released in 2016. And it’s currently tied with LGA 775 for longest support window. And if it actually gets the 5500x3d and/or the 5700x3d or these GT chips next year? It’ll actually be the longest supported socket ever unless im mistaken.
AM4 actually had chips before Ryzen with old Bristol ridge apus. Which released in 2016 before Ryzen came along in 2017.
So in theory you could go from an old Bristol Ridge steamroller based chip all the way to an r7 5800x3d on one motherboard in theory…
Like threadripper or any socket before AM4?
So far AM4 is a huge anomaly, not the norm.
That’s what I think people really seem to ignore, a lot of PC enthusiasts that don’t look into the history of AMD support. Yes, AM4 support is awesome, but I would be leery (if not outright cynical) about expecting the same for AM5.
I wasn’t into PCs at the time, but AM3 was released in 2009, and AM4 wasn’t launched until 2016. Where there compatibility issues with newer AM3 CPUs on older AM3 boards?
AM3 had a physical refresh in the form of AM3+ in 2011, to support DDR3. Compatibility was not guaranteed for older boards, since those chipsets supported DDR2. Additionally, there was a separate socket for APUs in the form of FM1(2011), FM2(2012), FM2+(2014), and AM1(2014, made for desktop SoCs, meaning the chipset was on the die instead of the motherboard).
AMD really cleaned up and got it together with AM4.
AM4 would have been more shortlived if the community weren’t vocal about holding them to their written commitment to AM4 through 2020. A large concern was with older boards not having enough space to support AGESA updates for newer processors, along with newer chipsets not being readily available to support Zen 3 processors initially. I think AMD realized they garnered a lot of consumer goodwill and didn’t want to just throw it away so quickly.
AM5 is still new, with support up to 2025. It’s possible that we’ll get Zen 5 and then they move on to AM6, but if the past is an indicator, they may hold off until something necessitates a design change for the architecture or memory support. Rather than hold out on promises yet fulfilled, I say buy what serves your needs now.
Thanks! Wow that is a ton for the APUs.
I do hope they continue with the strategy of fully refining the platform before moving on with AM5 like they did with AM4. If the rumors (granted, they are rumors) for Zen 5 are even half true, then there is still quite a bit of performance on the table for AM 5. I think having the socket released at the same time as DDR5 will also make it more likely to last longer, but of course nobody knows for sure. It would be nice though.
Yea definitely, different mobos got it better than others but you kinda needed to check chipset compatibility for every mobo
AM4 is actually FM3.
Marketing changed the same to associate it with the bigger construction cores rather than APUs.
AMD docs called it as such until the marketing change.
The fact that AM4 is still supported gives me hope for AM5.
Especially given the performance gains that are rumored for Zen 5. It’s supposed to be even bigger than the performance gain from Zen 3 to Zen 4 when we got the 7000 series processors, rumored at a 30% increase.
I’d be happy even if it was another 15% increase like the last generation, 30 would be insane if they actually hit that.
Going to be honest, every time there is a new socket and new generation there is a lot of hype about it. People talking about ~30% performance uplifts, half power consumption, etc.
Sometimes there are dramatic uplifts. The 3000 series were a substantial uplift from 2000 series. The 5800x3D really is a godlike chip that performs in games roughly the same as a 7600x, and sometimes beats it.
But most of the time it’s a steady 5-7% uplift of IPC and 5-7% clock speed improvement, leading to about a 10-15% uplift over previous generation. Sometimes we get a surprise but it’s rare.
Zen -> Zen 2: 15%
Zen2 -> Zen3: 19%
Zen3 -> Zen4: 14%
AMD literally made double digit IPC gains for each architecture iteration
Lmao 5700GT? Hope its igpu based on rdna2/3 and not vega based (well i don’t hold my breath tho). Kinda disappointed a bit that 8300g is going oem only.
How good of an upgrade would this be from a i713500k?
Can someone make sure am4 isn’t a zombie at this point?
I mean, I have a 5600G with a 7800 XT running. If that 8000G were to come out, I may jump to AM5 and give the AM4 system (minus GPU of course) in different hands.
Though I’m not sure, if that 8000G or an 8800X3D would be the better choice. Don’t both have APUs inside them anyway?
> Don’t both have APUs inside them anyway?
Yeah but in different league. The igpu is good enough for non-intensive tax and maybe can play some older game.
AMD keep making more misleading series
I really do hope these have the beans to really replace basic GPU options like the 1650, 6400, and A380.
AM4 as always seems to be holding up extremely well, it was simple and cheap.
Makes sense they still make chips for it because there still is people with 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen. Giving them more options for upgrading, specially new options is a big plus.
I just bought a 5800X3D so I don’t need it, but I’m happy they still support AM4.
Bro same here, bought my x3d this morning and thought were dropping something new now and panicked a bit.
New 5700 as well? Nice
I’ll think I’ll wait at least 6 months before upgrading my 3600. 🤔
I mean whats the point? The 5700X3D will be basically a slower 5800x3D. Seems odd to me. I would have liked to see more CPUs with v-cache like a 5500X3D and v-cache on APUs.
5700X3D will be basically a slower 5800x3D. Seems odd to me.
Allows them to sell lower binned chips that didn’t pass all the quals to meet the requirements to be sold as a 5800x3D, but can still be used at lower clock speeds without issue.
leftover chips that dont meet EPYC power draw requirements but don’t clock high enough for a 5800X3D so instead of throwing it away they sell a slightly worse chip, basically how all gpu/cpu binning works.
They are reusing something that already exists not making something entirely new.My first thought would be power usage – 5700X is 65W, while the 5800X & 5800X3D was 105W. However, that turns out to not be true, as a quick check of the 5600X3D has it rated at 105W, while the 5600X was 65W. So that’s not it.
I suspect the real point is probably just yields, the same reason the 5600X3D existed (and maybe the 5700X itself, iirc). These may just be the same chips, with 8 working cores (vs 6 for the 5600X3d), but clocked lower.
There’s also an NPU version coming supposedly. In any case it would be better to see what they release before buying something. I was just gonna upgrade to the cheapest 5600 available.
I don’t think I need the extra power right now. Most of my games run just fine. Except Starfield, but it’s a shitty game anyway.
Make me cheap x3d pls
Supposedly there will be an RX 5500X3D coming in the near future. Wish granted