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- cross-posted to:
- google@notdigg.com
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This is strong evidence that Google just assumes that if you have the permission (and presumably network permission too) then of course you must be uploading the user’s contacts somewhere.
It sounds like there are a lot of other issues or potential bad faith with Google’s process.
But this is an entirely reasonable stance to take. Merely touching the permission should be the bar to having extremely strong requirements in place to verify that you’re not doing anything bad.
But this is an entirely reasonable stance to take.
Snikket is FOSS. The source code is available to Google. The source code is also a more trustworthy source of evidence than Google simply running the code. How do they know from running the code whether it exports their contacts?
Being FOSS absolutely should not get you a pass on the entirely reasonable policy that touching the permission requires additional criteria be met.
It’s completely irrelevant to the discussion.
I feel like we maybe just learned some kind of lesson about malicious code being included in FOSS projects on blind faith that someone out there would catch it if it was there.
What are you missing? When Google has access to the source code, they have the ultimate most effective and simultaneously easy way to verify the criteria is met. Of course that’s relevant to the discussion. It’s how you know what the software does. Only closed-source projects have a problem demonstrating that they’ve satisfied the criteria.
FOSS isn’t magic. Reviewing the source code doesn’t guarantee that the version you get matches the code you were provided. You unconditionally should not get any exemptions to store policy because your code is open source. That’s a terrible idea.
Having actual written policies and meeting other criteria are the rules for a reason. If you’re unwilling to follow them, not being on the play store is 100% your fault. It’s not Google being mean.
FOSS isn’t magic. Reviewing the source code doesn’t guarantee that the version you get matches the code you were provided. You unconditionally should not get any exemptions to store policy because your code is open source. That’s a terrible idea.
No one has suggested exemptions. Otherwise you need to quote where you get that idea from. You’re not grasping the fact that code enables criteria to be verified. It therefore needs no exemption.
The terrible idea we are grappling with is the idea to not review source code that is available. If the code does not match the binary, that is Google’s problem. Google is the repository and has the sole responsibility for either ensuring reproducable builds are in play (to the extent that they care) or compiling it themselves. But I doubt Google genuinely cares as the Playstore is proven to have a quite poor quality standard relative to other repositories.
Having actual written policies and meeting other criteria are the rules for a reason.
Those policies are not above criticism. If Google’s policies fail to include code reviews as verification that criteria is satisfied, that’s on Google and they have no expectation of not being condemned for their incompetent policy.
Yes, you are. The issue they’re complaining about is that they’re being held to additional standards because they ask for a sensitive permission. They absolutely should be.
Being FOSS should literally not be considered in any way at any point in the app acceptance process. It’s terrible policy that’s much worse than the policy that you’re complaining about.
The issue they’re complaining about is that they’re being held to additional standards because they ask for a sensitive permission.
That’s not Snikket’s complaint. Snikket naturally satisfies the standards at hand because they do not export address book data, so they have no reason to object to the standards Google is failing to verify. Their complaint is rightfully about Google’s incompetence in evaluating their compliance. It’s clear from Snikket’s account what a shit show it is at Google who failed copious times to evaluate their software.
There’s nothing more terrible in the position of a software repository than the incompetence of neglecting to review code as part of the acceptance process. I can’t think of a more foolish policy than to ignore the code of software for which you are trying to endorse the quality of.
This is good news in the sense that Snikket is forced to promote the better repository (F-Droid). It’s also favorable when some good apps like Snikket are simply unavailable in Google Playstore. If every app is available in Playstore, that solidifies Google’s disproportionate power – which they abuse. We need more apps to be only available outside of Playstore.
Snikket is also a good app to have that excludes Playstore because of its nature as a communications app. Advanced users likely tend to push their more novice correspondents to install Snikket. So going forward they will have to do their duty in spreading F-Droid.
