I thought the title was going to be a little click-baity, but it wasn’t. 5-year and 4-year for planning to disrupt traffic is horrible. As the article points out, the dissonance between this sentencing and the actual harm caused by large-scale polluters is insane.
If the sentencing is gonna be that bad for something minor, maybe dramatically up the ante next time.
Drunk drivers that crash and actually ended up disrupting traffic get lighter sentences than this.
This is fucking spot on and honestly I’m disgusted thinking about it.
So endangering the public, disrupting traffic, and potentially killing someone because you crashed your car while shitfaced is better than planning a protest I guess.
Oh yeah I forgot…of course the crime of offending and defying the ultra wealthy oil barons is worse than potentially killing a not rich person. They own basically everything at this point.
Those who make peaceful protests impossible make violent rebellion inevitable.
Right? If it’s years in prison either way, they’re about to find out what real eco terrorism looks like when protestors are ready to go all in.
I’m constantly surprised that the endless unmonitored miles of oil pipelines don’t ever bombed.
That actively works against the cause because it would do so much harm to the local ecosystems
Absolutely. From the end of the article:
Separately on Thursday, three airports were granted high court injunctions against fossil fuel and environmental activists protesting at their sites. Leeds Bradford airport, London Luton airport and Newcastle international airport were given injunctions banning protesters from trespassing or causing a nuisance.
Getting someone fired for missing work isn’t helping your cause in ANY way.
You want to protect workers? Shitting on people who try to protect the environment isn’t it.
Ban union busting, ban arbitrary firing, set up a worker protections.
Do those things first. Then come complain.
Grow some class consciousness.
I do. I however approach it with a pragmatic strategy. Blocking traffic doesn’t work. It doesn’t change minds, it doesn’t change policy. It prevents hourly workers from getting paid.
I agree with every thing you have said, except the execution. It hurts poor people and doesn’t change policy.
If anything the richest people are the ones driving to work. Cars are expensive.
I can confirm that this is not the case.
Is bicycling and public transit not cheaper than owning a car?
Not in my specific circumstances, no.
Violent protestors usually have the most punchable faces too. Haven’t had a decent violent protest in a while. But when I see one I usually join in. I don’t care about the cause. But violence is always a lot of fun.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one. Must be a Republican.
I’m from Germany. What is wrong with you man? Your comment is a testimony of how fucked up your country actually is. Get your shit together.
Besides, this post is about the UK not the US. Not everything is about the US. Infact, you’re not as central in international discussions as you think you are. Most people in Europe don’t give a shit and are just laughing at your rediculous attempt of a democracy.
Re read your posts and think real hard this time. You know, about violence you would like to inflict on the violent protestors. I am sure you can figure it out. And calling you a Republican is not about calling out where you are from, just that you share their qualities, specifically their penchant to be nothing if not hypocritical, and projecting.
What even is a Republican? Isn’t the US a two-party system? So everyone has to be classified with exactly two opinions? Not more and not less? Like I’m either Rep or Dem? Answer is: I’m neither. Not my problem that you can’t vote for neither but you don’t need to classify me as your two parties.
Not really, there are two parties with political power, but people run the gambit of political ideology. In this case i am using “republican” as a derogatory descriptor, based on your wish for violence against people who are violent but don’t agree with you.
Read this again.
Holy shit. 5 years for “conspiracy to cause public nuisance”. Holy shit.
If you punish peaceful activism this hard you make violent activism more appealing. If you’re going to prison for years either way you might as well really fuck shit up
In for a lamb, in for a sheep.
In for a peaceful protest, in for sabotage
Not allowed evidence, not allowed a defense, and the crime was a zoom call where they tried to recruit people to block a highway. 5 years in prison.
Holy shit, are you guys okay in the UK? Blink twice if you need help.
Insurrectionists doing less time than these hippies. Y’all are crushin’ it down there…
5 years is insane. That being said none of this protest is peaceful. Your using violence to block people from work, literally stealing from the poor who can’t change a god damn thing. And it’s absolutely worthless, this type of shit just pisses people off and makes them fight more against policy change.
When you consider the violence to property or to the economy over people, you lose any respect i could have for you. I argue against your definition of violence. And you are essentially relegating protest to only where it could not have any impact in the first place.
I didn’t know what to tell you. It doesn’t work. You are hurting your cause because your sense of justice has seen it work in the past. There are more effective ways than pissing EVERYONE off. You need to be more pragmatic in your thinking.
I’m still waiting for these more pragmatic ways to be effective…. I am sure relegating protestors to somewhere more convenient helps your cause, but historically it doesn’t help the cause of the protest.
Yep been waiting quite a while now. I am sure silent solidarity will convince law makers to not take that lucrative lobbying money any day now.
I’m not saying protesting isn’t an answer. Only that blocking major roadways just pisses people off, hurts those most vulnerable, and has a net effect of pushing voting right.
You know who’s the first to suffer from the continued climate crisis? Poor people, working people.
The people taking it seriously and demanding action are the ones serving the interests of poor and working people.
If you want to help poor people in need, then advocate for strong labour laws and a robust welfare state. None of this regressive pearl clutching shite that doesn’t help anyone except the ruling class.
I’m sure that sounds great when you aren’t stuck in traffic at your hourly job, while the middle class protests because they have the time and money. It doesn’t work. You have the correct idea supporting them and advocating for change. But the execution is failing here. It does not progress your goals.
I’ve been stuck in exactly one protest-caused traffic backup in my entire life. But I’ve been stuck in backups for: crashes, rush hour, road construction, trains, sportsball matches, concerts, sausage festivals, triathlons, university dorm move-in, and even crews painting the lane lines, more times than I could even begin to count.
Why no tears for the poor wage slaves being stuck with the shittiest of transportation systems when it’s experiencing its usual failures?
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Really not that hard a concept.
If you’re talking about the automobile-based transportation system, yes, I agree that it does not work, but I disagree that it is not a hard concept. It doesn’t seem like it should be, but it is. It should be gobsmackingly obvious that it doesn’t work based on simple observations through the windshield, yet so many people just can’t grasp it. As for disruptive protest, the case is not so straightforward, and many people will argue that it’s the only form of protest that actually works.
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Change up the strategy.
you do realize that you saying it over and over again while plugging your ears doesn’t magically make it true, right? and that people generally just consider this behaviour childish, right?
