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      • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        6 个月前

        Discord, slack, bitwarden, steam, Microsoft teams, visual studio code, balena etcher . Anyone else know of any electron apps or heavily modified version of chrome?😄

        • qupada@kbin.run
          2·
          6 个月前

          Teams has switched to Microsoft’s own edition of the same concept, “Edge WebView2”. Now that Edge is just being Chrome wearing a rubber Scooby Doo mask, I don’t expect the differences are vast.

          Another fun iteration is Plex’s desktop client, which uses QtWebEngine… however surprise! still the Chromium engine underneath.

          Signal’s desktop app is plain old Electron though.

          Of the ones on your list, worth noting that Discord and Slack work fine with FirefoxPWA.

            • ᗪᗩᗰᑎ@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1·
              6 个月前

              I use the shit out of Firefox PWA. I just wish Mozilla would get off their asses and make it work out of the box vs having to install a third party app.

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      6 个月前

      What pisses me off is how many websites don’t work right with Firefox now. There’s been several times where I’ve had issues with a site functioning on Firefox and had to switch to a chromium browser.

      • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
        0·
        6 个月前

        I read that most sites work just fine if you spoof your user agent to windows and standard chrome

        • ayaya@lemdro.idEnglish
          1·
          6 个月前

          This breaks any site that uses CloudFlare’s Turnstile for me. It will loop forever and never let me through if my user agent is set to Chrome.

        • AeroLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
          0·
          6 个月前

          I’ve had some sites bug out on Firefox that I’m pretty sure weren’t really related to Google or Microsoft in any way. I still use Firefox obviously, but it’s annoying.

          • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            6 个月前

            The point was that some sites neglect to develop for Firefox, and simply tell Firefox users to get chrome instead. Meanwhile Firefox works in most cases perfectly fine without any doing on the website’s part if it is simply duped into believing that the firefox user is just a plain old chrome user as expected. Doesn’t work for everything, but almost.

  • Angel Mountain@feddit.nlEnglish
    6·
    6 个月前

    Let this be my warning to Google that I will never go back to their browser when they do. Challas! ✌️

      • nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
        0·
        6 个月前

        I already know a few people who were just marginally digitally literate, and now they can’t read things like news articles and access several kinds of services anymore, unless someone helps them, because they don’t property know how to close invasive popups and solve captchas.

        The internet is literally becoming unusable for some people.

        • RufusFirefly@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 个月前

          I’m in my mid 60s and know a few people that never even heard the term “browser extension” before. How they tolerate using the web with no ad blocking is beyond me.

    • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1·
      6 个月前

      Got my boomer mom to finally install an ad blocker. She was tired of looking at a webpage, having an ad give some kind of script run error, and then it reloads back at the top. It’s a big problem on the cooking websites she goes to.

      I would rather go back to the days of shitty pop-ups you can just close. These ads are far worse, and none of them even make sense.

  • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
    61·
    6 个月前

    Adblockers are the largest consumer boycott in history.

    Google isn’t just disabling an extension, they’re attacking a boycott comprised of 200,000,000+ people, all around the globe, standing up to forced manipulation of our beliefs and habits by profit-hungry corporations.

    • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2·
      6 个月前

      If Google presented me with ads for things I might be interested in and in a non-invasive way, wouldn’t mind looking at them at all.

      Instead I get ads for the seemingly random shit I have absolutely zero interest in buying. How they are consistently wrong about my spending habits is unbelievable. I have two fucking hobbies! I don’t see ads for anything relating to them. Ever.

    • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 个月前

      You’re correct, and now people will boycott Chrome. Firefox and Brave are good / accessible / easy to get for most people so…

  • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    6 个月前

    I honestly can’t wait to see how this plays out. Only Chrome, chromium and edge in their pure forms have dedicated to doing this. Most of the Chrome forks have said they’re going to fork and keep it running. It’s certainly going to give Firefox a shot in the arm, but there’s no lack of other competition either.

    • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
      2·
      6 个月前

      I don’t know how long the forks will be able to backport new features to their forked codebase.

      I think the only sensible solution is to just switch to Firefox.

      • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
        02·
        6 个月前

        Eventually Firefox will switch to V3 anyway so it’s kind of just delaying the inevitable.

        It sucks that this is the future of the Internet.

        • mint_tamas@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          6 个月前

          Manifest v3 is already supported in Firefox (they must support it to keep the extension ecosystem alive), but they implemented it without the user-hostile restrictions.

          • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            6 个月前

            Oh, I wasn’t aware of that, I thought the user-hostile restrictions were inherent to Manifest v3 and they were unavoidable.

            Okay, maybe just maybe Firefox squeaks by unharmed then.

            edit: I literally just had someone else tell me just now that “It’s not something that can be worked around. It’s specifically a design feature of manifest v3 to restrict these types of things.”

            So which is it? I’m kind of getting mixed signals here.

            edit 2: Oh, it sounds like Google has additional arbitrary restrictions on content blocking functionality, beyond what Manifest V3 itself has.

    • Shatpoz1288@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      6 个月前

      The more people use Firefox, the more web devs will be forced to ensure their website works on Firefox.

    • dan@upvote.auEnglish
      4·
      6 个月前

      Have you reported issues for them? It’s in the menu somewhere. If Mozilla get a lot of reports for particular sites, they reach out to the webmaster and try to work with them to improve Firefox support - usually by removing proprietary Chrome-only features or by removing reliance on Chrome bugs that don’t exist in Firefox.

      You can also report the issue at https://webcompat.com/, just search to see if it’s already been reported first.

    • Enekk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 个月前

      I’m showing my age, but back when IE was basically the only browser and Firefox (Firebird back then) launched, people often lamented that things didn’t work in Firefox. The solution? People used Firefox and web developers were forced to make their shit work in Firefox. When Chrome came out, suddenly we had three real options and the way to make everything work? Open Standards.

      Now, Chrome is in the position IE was back before Firefox came around. How ever will we make sure things work in Firefox??? Use Firefox. If enough people dump Google’s malware browser, the web has to go back to supporting multiple browsers through open standards.

      • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        6 个月前

        Thing is Google’s influence on Firefox is making it a worse company and browser as AI and privacy invading features take over.

  • irish_link@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    6 个月前

    Glad I have firefox as well but also looking forward to a cool new project called Ladybird. https://ladybird.org

    Not sure if its the right one but glad there are more projects out there trying to jump into the game. (I know extensions are a long way off for it but i see it as hope.)

    Also please consider running pihole or adguard home. Or any other full home DNS add blocker. It will help.

    • Jarmer@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      6 个月前

      Ladybird looks great! Very much looking forward to an alpha linux release so I can use it and give all kind of feedback.

    • Ace T'Ken@lemmy.caEnglish
      2·
      6 个月前

      Looks like what I’d want to use, but to reach broad support it needs a Windows client as well.

  • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    3·
    6 个月前

    What I’m scared is publishers taking this as a reason to simply start banning Firefox and other browsers.

    • WhatYouNeed@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 个月前

      An ecom site decides to block 5% of web traffic and potential sales?

      Now tell the marketing team you are turning away 1 in 20 potential customers because (well, not really sure why) and see what they have to say.

    • Jarmer@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      6 个月前

      There’s already plenty of business web apps that require chrome. I specifically use a business focused web app that not only requires Chrome, but ONLY CHROME ITSELF and no chromium derivatives. That’s the first time I’ve come across that. I had previously seen chrome requirements, but they worked just fine on ungoogled chromium. Not this one, nope. Regular Google Chrome and nothing else. wtf is that garbage.

      • jabjoe@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        6 个月前

        You can get past these with a user agent, lying about which browser it is. However, they aren’t testing for other browsers, so their site maybe as buggy as hell. As yet Firefox doesn’t do a WINE and match Chrome, bug for bug, so sites work as intended. Google have cause IE6’s return.

        • Jarmer@slrpnk.netEnglish
          1·
          6 个月前

          It was indeed buggy, which was when I reached out to support. They immediately asked if I was using not Google Chrome itself, but a Chromium offshoot like Brave or Vivaldi. I was using ungoogled chromium, so they told me it won’t work. I switched to regular google chrome and it worked great. I wonder what on earth they’re using that’s part of Google Chrome that makes it work and not part of any other chromium projects.

      • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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        6 个月前

        Not always doable as they could be relying on non-standard features that are only in Chrome.

        Not exactly the same thing, but my employer requires us to use Chrome for all internal stuff, as they’re using Chrome Enterprise Premium as part of their endpoint security solution, and of of course that only works in Chrome.

      • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        6 个月前

        It takes more than changing your user agent to msk which browser you use. It’s trivial to know which browser you’re really using if they really want.

        • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 个月前

          I’m pretty sure it’s much easier to mask your browser than detect the correct browser. In the end you’re just hitting a server for data, you fully control the call that is made.

      • Fashim@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 个月前

        Yeah I’ve got an extension for it, it just changes the user-agent string.

        I use it on YouTube because for some totally not suspicious reason Firefox won’t play videos but when I spoof it to Chrome everything works fine.

        • TJDetweiler@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          6 个月前

          I’ve noticed significant YouTube quality degradation when using Firefox, but no issues with Chrome.

          Got a link for the extension by any chance?

        • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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          6 个月前

          User-agent is being deprecated, so it won’t work forever.

          Also note that if people keep their UA as Chrome permanently, hit counters will count them as Chrome users, and the number of Firefox users will go down.

            • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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              6 个月前

              The comment I replied to was mentioning user-agent. User-agent is being deprecated (replaced by client hints) so changing the user agent will eventually stop working.

              At the moment, the stats for browser usage rely on user agent as recorded by stats software used by various sites, so if you make Firefox pretend to be Chrome, you’ll be contributing to the Firefox user percentage going down.

              • SendMePhotos@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                6 个月前

                Right but why is that relevant? What good or bad does a number going down do? If Firefox wanted to keep track they could just count the number of downloads right?

                • dan@upvote.auEnglish
                  1·
                  6 个月前

                  The issue is that sites will have even less reason to support Firefox if the number of people using Firefox goes down.

        • pivot_root@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 个月前

          Chromium (Google Chrome’s base) is also open source.

          And yet, we’re still at a corporation’s mercy as to whether everything Chromium-based gets ruined by Google’s fuck-what-the-users-want policies. Like with Manifest V3. And JXL support. And extensions on mobile.

      • Chozo@fedia.io
        0·
        6 个月前

        Yeah, it’s strange just how readily the blinders go up wherever Mozilla is concerned. They’re a corp, just like any other; if they had the money and leverage, they’d be just as aggressive as Google. Have people already forgotten that time they laid off 200+ employees and then gave all the execs bonuses?

        E: Apparently y’all have forgotten. In 2021, Mozilla laid off a few hundred employees. CEO’s salary doubled that year. Fuck Mozilla, they’re no more your friends than Google or Microsoft; they’re the same evil, just smaller-scaled evil, is all.

        • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          01·
          6 个月前

          You forgot to also mention that they are a cult where you get attacked if you say anything negative about Mozilla.