Election Truth Alliance is already investigating claims in some areas, maybe they can help or maybe your evidence can help them.
All votes really need a numbered receipt, like a tracking number, that shows what that number voted for, and then posted publicly. This way if you think you’re vote was changed you can go and look online to see if it matches how you voted…but doubt this would ever be put in place.
I don’t think that’s a good idea at all. Leaks happen all the time and everyone knows that a lot of those machines are compromised. If republicans know exactly who voted for who, that could be an Alligator Auschwitz trip for certain people.
This is the exact use-case for a blockchain, a public immutable ledger where you can validate your vote, but nobody can tie it back to you.
the point of anonymous voting is coercion. if you can validate your vote outside of a safe polling place then someone else is able to validate how you voted and force you to vote a particular way
voting systems you need to be able to validate that your vote is submitted as you wanted (imo only paper based voting allows for this), and then that the system for counting the votes is inviolable (that’s where scrutineers come in)… again, imo that’s not something you can do electronically - or at least practically
Can’t we be coerced to get in our car, drive to a polling place, and vote for a particular candidate? Blackmail, other threats, or financial incentives etc, I’m not sure why a physical polling place is safer than being able to vote anonymously
No matter who threatens you, they can’t see what’s on the paper ballot you put in a box. There’s people at the polling station that ensure that.
If there’s any way of tracking your vote, someone could threaten you, force you to vote a certain way, then force you to show the verification afterwards.
The safest way to ensure everyone gets a fair vote is paper ballots in a box.
I know the US uses a lot of mail-in voting, and that you generally deem it to be secure. I also understand that the US is a far less densely populated country than my own, which makes mail-in voting more necessary. However, we don’t have that in my country, and the reason I’m glad for it is exactly this: There’s no truly effective way to prevent anyone from forcing someone else to mail in a specific vote.
Thanks for trying.
What do you mean?
That’s illegal in most places. Votes are anonymous specifically on purpose. Numerous people have been threatened to vote certain ways in the past all over the world. If there is no record of you specifically voting a specific choice, you can’t be forced to vote a specific way. And you can’t be targeted after the fact for that vote.
Also because it’s an effective way to prove you voted a certain way to a vote buyer.
That is a bad idea because now someone else can also check how you’ve voted. I.e. you can be coerced or threatened to vote a certain way. The current system is anonymous. You can vote X but say you voted Y and nobody can prove different.
The idea of it being numbered is that you are given your number when you vote to check against later, but nobody else is given that number so they can’t tie the vote to you.
Often times the people this would hurt most would be the spouses of abusive individuals. They could force the receipt, and would be able to confirm their victim voted the way they were told.
Sure while this is a concern, why aren’t we instead looking into the abuse vs suggesting we no do something because of another problem?
Not at all saying we shouldn’t look into the abuse, but unless the victim tells someone, there’s no way to know it’s happening? I don’t really get what you’re suggesting here.
I’m suggesting that if the abuse is large enough that it swings entire elections, then it should be looked into as a why it’s happening vs saying we shouldn’t do something about voter fraud because something else might happen.
Spousal abuse is only one concern, also parent/child coercion (you’re an adult now, you can’t live in my house unless you vote the way I want). Another would be buying votes, and using the “receipt” to collect payment.
It’s not that I don’t believe you, but extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. Is what you found that extraordinary?
Is there not the local election commission? How did you find it? If there’s an individual, there’s likely a way to report them.
Idk call a local news station. They will be your free lawyer.
At this point I’m fairly confident that they could find irrevocable proof that the 2024 election was a sham, and nothing would come of it.
Doesn’t the Congress and Election College have final say? The rest of it could be a sham, but what they say goes.
Yes, and it’s already done. Whoever the EC voted for is president. So the detail beyond that is just interesting for future elections.
At this point that’s true. Even in a stolen election the only legal way to remove the president is the impeachment process. This congress wouldn’t impeach him even if he gave a daily public display of his favorite pastime on Epstein’s island.
I believe the traditional way to bring attention to suspected voting fraud is to shit your pants in front of a Four Seasons Landscaping
