ik that Biden isn’t re-running, but Kamala is basically the same from the macro pov

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    I don’t know what to think about people claiming to be LGBT+ allies who would even remotely entertain not voting Harris… as the risk to the people they say they want to protect is domestic as well. This is a palestinians lose or everyone lose waaaayyyyy worse kinda deal … so yeah… apparently ideals don’t matter that much.

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      I’m sorry but if you believe you can only be gay if brown people get genocided you’re not gay and you just want to kill children.

      If someone is willing to genocide anyone, then they’ll come for you eventually too. Nazis didn’t start their genocide with Jews.

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        Stick your strawman. Brown people dying is not a precondition… I did not imply that at all. It’s that more people will suffer and die if trump is not defeated. It’s like saying Hitlers opponent was also bad… yeah maybe… but he’s not advocating fascism.

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          Genocide and support for genocide is fascism. Harris is advocating for fascism.

          If they’re willing to fully fund the elimination of Palestinians, they wont stop when they are gone. You might not be next on the list, but you’re on the list, we all are under a genocidal government.

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      I’m literally queer both in terms of sexuality and gender 💀💀 and am against genocide precisely bc of my principles (though I don’t live in the US)

      bc choosing to support the “lesser of two evils” since they won’t target you domestically is lacking any and all backbone. “The dems can have a little genocide, as a treat. After all, they protect minorities in the 'civilised west” and that is the only place that counts" (not putting words in your mouth, just that this is what the position essentially boils down to)

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        Such a short sighted take. Arguably making the world less safe for everyone cause you can’t have it all. Keep doing Putin’s work. But at least you don’t get to vote in the US elections.

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          Why are all your arguments “if you don’t do X you’re doing Y”?

          Has the two-party system defeated you so much that you can’t see anything but binary choices? It’s been decades of being forced to choose between two bad choices and you’ve been choosing a bad option every time, on the promise of a better one next election. But you’re never going to get an alternative if you just keep voting for the lesser of two evils every 4 years.

          And I hope the Putin comment is just that and not a xenophobic dogwhistle because their name is in Cyrillic…

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    No one is saying how dare you vote for trump to people voicing concerns. People are saying that to individuals willingly not voting, voting for trump in “protest,” or voting third party in “protest”

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      There’s no protest, though. Third parties are the only logical option for anyone with any amount of humanity left in them. Only fascists would vote for genocide, only selfish fascists would vote for genocide on the thought that if they don’t they’ll get genocided as punishment.

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        Sure broski, vote third party, help trump. Other elections I don’t care, but this one has a literal nazi running and a lady who is criticized for not doing enough to stop Israel. So naturally help the nazi

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          You people have said this exact nonsense since Reagan.

          It’s always the next election that you might get to vote for something, instead of against something.

          No, child, I’m not voting for genocide. Your idealized fantasy land you call a world view isn’t valid. There are no good people in either the democratic or Republican parties. They are all literally genocidal fascists. No exaggeration. They are actively commiting genocide.

          Your vote for either of those parties is to normalize and consent to that genocide as well as any other that doesn’t affect you. That is quite literally, again not exaggerating, a Nazi belief. That genocide needs to happen, because otherwise you’ll be a victim of genocide. That is literally the line used by the Nazis to justify killing the Jews before the Jews kill them.

          Now if I’m wrong and vote third party and that third party wins, I have not voted for genocide and we at least entirely withdraw from the middle east.

          If that third party does not win or I’m not wrong and they do win, genocide happens that I have stated my explicit disapproval of, I continue to join protests, work in my mutual aid group, and work to make the world better against the government who wanrs to make it worse until im i evitably killed by either the trump or harris governments.

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            If trump wins, the safety of people in my family and of my friends is in danger. I have come to this conclusion by what he and his associates have actually said and written. Not some random scare tactic. This is not a moral handwringing. They are going to harm my folks right here, as they have gleefully said.

            Do we like ‘lesser evil?’ No. But I have unfortunately not been wrong about these horrible people since I began researching the alt right trend in 2014. Making sure they don’t have power again is far more important than a protest vote.

            The likelihood you’d get killed by a Harris government is by FAR less than with a Trump govt, and if you don’t see that you are fearfully delusional, and I am not saying that as a personal attack, but as a genuine concern.

            So we are clear, I am against this farce of a war in the mid-east, against the surveillance state we are building, for ranked choice voting, strongly for healthcare for all, for housing first, and am a part of the local mutual aid groups.

            And Reagan really started this slide, so not terribly useful to call that crying wolf.

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          I’m part of the lgbtq community, and have been longer than you’ve likely been alive. I’ve lived through worse things than your fear mongering can come up with. my existence is not worth the genocide of others, and we know from history those that commit genocide do not stop with their original target.

          Democrats, having thoroughly and completely endorsed genocide, who have sent troops to aide in genocide, who have bombed civilian populations in dissenting countries in defense of genocide are not going to stop when Palestinians are a historical group only.

          Voting for them with the vague thought that they might spare you is stupid at best, suicide at worst.

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    Trump said he will support Israel as well wich is probably his only based take.