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Aside from the fact that they are listening to propaganda, it’s also a matter of framing. They think of solar as green weenie shit, the ineffectual limp dick replacement for tried and true all American machine power.
It all starts sounding different when you frame it as a security issue. Large scale solar will keep working through almost anything, even if parts of it are damaged. Most other forms of power need constant maintenance and can suffer catastrophic failure that renders the whole thing inoperable and costing a fortune to replace.
More importantly, it adds flexibility since it can be rapidly deployed and remains effective at smaller scales. The military wants solar because the alternative is often a gas generator that needs fuel shipped in by truck, a common target for attack. If your house has a solar roof and battery backup, a blackout isn’t going to effect you. Power can be out for weeks and you’ll barely notice, while previously the only option was a gas generator that only powers a few circuits in your house and is inevitably going to run out of fuel.
The more widespread solar and battery gets, the more secure we are as a civilization against large scale catastrophes that disrupt the grid, whether that’s war, sabotage or natural disasters.
Best way I’ve seen to explain solar power and EVs to a right winger is tell them I don’t have to fill my car with expensive Saudi oil, I make good clean American electricity when the sun hits my roof and I use it to drive around. If oil was worthless because we have better forms of power, we could stop caring what some Arab princes think we should be paying to drive to work.
You can appeal to self-sustaing types or prepper logic as well. Way easier to make your own electricity then it is to extract and refine your own oil. EVs will remain operational much longer after societal collapse then gas powered vehicles will.
the ineffectual limp dick replacement for tried and true all American machine power.
the fossil lobby has done a fantastic job of deceiving people about the superiority renewables bring to the generation problem. the fact that they still roll out bullshit like “you won’t be able to watch TV at night” tells you everything.
Meanwhile, in REALITY, the US has installed record amounts of renewables and battery storage.
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/us-battery-energy-storage-deployments-jump/729248/
The real tragedy here is that the educational standards have been allowed to drop so far that “can’t watch TV at night” is a legitimate issue with solar to some people.
While you’re not wrong in the educational standards, I think a lot of this, in 2024, is obvious, no shit sherlock ‘revelations’, and the FUD should be combatted on every front - eliminating foreign oil influence, superior quality of life all over, rebuilding the grid, doing FUCKING ANYTHING about realistically reacting to climate change etc…
That’s a great way of putting it.
We’ve had fewer power outages at our new offgrid house (0) than we had living anywhere else
I honestly think it’s egotistical dipshits who can’t admit to being wrong about “there’s no such thing as climate change” they’ve been going on and on about, for decades.
Only now they really can’t deny it, so it’s this little nit-picking of everything that still lets them say “see, I’m still so smart about this stuff, and smart me thinks we still shouldn’t do anything about climate change”.
Gonna get us all killed.
nit-picking of everything that still lets them say “see, I’m still so smart about this stuff"
Ah, the famous Jordan Peterson gambit:
- Present a problem in great detail.
- Explain how this problem is just how things must be, and obviously the only way forward is to roll over and maintain status quo.
- If anyone proposes a solution they’re a silly liberal who doesn’t understand the complexity of the problem.
Lol, that’s bang on! Well done.
If anyone proposes a solution they’re a silly liberal who doesn’t understand the complexity of the problem.
I find it hilarious that there’s a debate going on about climate scientists’ objectivity when the other side IS LITERALLY THE PETROL LOBBY, and we have decades of data showing how their industry has destroyed the ecosystem.
And I’d suggest people consider: when shit gets really bad, there’s going to be backlash - people crying out “why didn’t the scientists save us, why didn’t they stop things if they’re so smart” and all science will have is decades of warnings going back to the 80s.
meanwhile - the fucks on the right side of OP’s image will be the ones leading the torch wielding mobs, probably saying it’s a conspiracy by the scientists to profit off the world’s end. which is what the petrol lobby has done.
Farmers’ protests against the European Green Deal has to be one of the most mind-boggling movements I’ve witnessed. It’s exactly as you say: by 2050 farmers will be asking for even bigger handouts because their crops failed, while also crying about how EU didn’t stop global warming. Literal children protesting because EU put greens on their plate.
I feel like this is missing “Prime Farmland”
We could be massively subsidizing corn instead of generating electricity
if i could reasonably grow vegetables on my roof i absolutely would
That is the #1 excuse right now
I keep quoting this article but there are lots of others. Grazing & solar go together quite well.
That’s a great point. We had a local private solar project that was fenced off and used to graze sheep. The sheep kept the field tidy and had built-in shelter from the sun and rain in warmer months.
It was also part of a farm-to-table project. Unfortunately, that aspect drew the outrage of a neighbor who had ties to PETA. The sheep are gone now and I don’t know the details aside from the local media blowup. There may have been more to the story.
I would love it if they used it to graze goats and rented them out to local property owners. My backyard has some weird terrain that makes it a PITA to mow. Goats will even take out poison ivy with no ill effects. I’d pay for that service.
Point being - that land doesn’t need to be dedicated to a single use.
Mfer do you think burnt coal or a coal powerplant can be recycled?
No cancer? What kind of right wing conspiracy doesn’t make you gay, transgenders your kids or gives you cancer?
Well, something made me gay and trans >:3 wiggles queerly ^.^
And I did have cancer… 🤔 But all’ that happened whilst with my fashy right-wing parents who tried to protect me from all forms of modern medicine and sense. Maybe it’s the right whose ideas are crap and are ruining/killing America 💡
I hope you’re better. I mean regarding the fashy parents and the cancer. The rest doesn’t need any fixing 💕
It’ll be interesting when the pendulum swings towards EVs in america. Car companies will have to convince those coal and gas chuds to go back on all the rhetoric they’ve been fed in order to stay relevent in an evolving market.
Luckily these fucking morons have the memory of a goldfish.
True, I’m excited to see the flavor next month.
Why is it the uncle that’s the one who’s generally portrayed as being the crazy conspiracy theorist? I’m an uncle, I’m not that bad
Because usually the guy that can’t get laid an start a family is the one that fills their time with weird nonsense, and if he has normal siblings then he becomes an uncle eventually.
This is different from the phenomena wherein intentionally child free uncles get into much more reasonable weird nonsense like magic the gathering or cabinet making.
