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  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    20 days ago

    That is an interpretation of Islam by one person who has a website.

    If it were true for all Islam, the entire Islamic Golden Age would not have happened.

    Where do you think we got things like distillation and algebra from?

    • Allah@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      02·
      20 days ago

      the people who you are referring to were from mutazila (who were a part of Ilm al-kalam), who were slowly genocided by hanbalites, nowadays they are as good as murtads/shia, (i.e. dead) because sunnis count them as apostates/khawarij

      and the website i used is run by meccan authorites (yk the heart of islam)

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        20 days ago

        For someone with your username and apparent obsession with Islam based on your post history, you don’t seem to realize that there is no one Islamic authority.

        There’s no such thing as a pope of Islam. In fact, Mecca is controlled by Sunni Wahabbists. They don’t even speak for all Sunni Muslims.

        And it’s pretty sad that you need an ethnically Jewish atheist like me to explain that to you.

        • Allah@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          01·
          20 days ago

          neither are concerts or pubs or basically anything haram (which only came after 2017 reforms also slavery was still practices in saudi arabia in 1962)

            • Allah@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
              01·
              20 days ago

              not really these are authentic muslim scholars and they cite both religious and historically accurate sources to justify their position

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    20 days ago
    1. They just use a different name because Arabic philosophy was around before Greeks made up the word “philosophy”:

    But the fact of the matter is that philosophy is an alien entity in the body of Islam. There is no philosophy in Islam and there are no philosophers among Muslims in this deviant sense. Rather in Islam there is certain knowledge and prominent scholars who examine matters. Among the most famous philosophers who were nominally Muslims were al-Kindi, al-Faraabi, Ibn Sina (Avicenna) and Ibn Rushd (Averroes).

    Which doesn’t sound as strange when you realize the ones saying “no philosophy” probably don’t speak English (or Greek) as a first language.

    1. Why did you link some random question/answer website and act like it’s relevant to all Islam? Like… Are you under the impression it’s a unified religion like Catholicism? If so I can probably clarify a whole bunch of shit for you that’s relevant to all the Abrhamic religions, because none of the major branches are monoliths
      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        20 days ago

        Oh wow.

        You should read it again regardless, because you don’t seem to have understood it the first time from the false title you used.

    • Artyom@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      19 days ago

      Can’t say I was a fan. I liked it more in the moment, but after thinking about it, here are what I believe are the major takeaways.

      1. Mormons are the protagonists
      2. Mormons are constantly persecuted in their daily life, but they continue on because they are strong
      3. Mormons look out for each other when they need help
      4. Athiests are crazy, no matter how many points they make sound reasonable
      5. When you pray, miracles happen when you need them
      6. This one’s up to interpretation, but the final scene seemed to say “Even if all religion is a white lie, it’s quite nice and doesn’t hurt anyone.”

      All of which I find to be false in the real world.

  • steeznson@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    20 days ago

    8th century Islamic scholars like Al-Ghazali made huge contributions to philosophy with their cosmological arguments for the existence of God. These are still discussed to this day in philosophy classes. In the grand scheme of things it’s only relatively recently that there has been this strain of iconoclasm and anti-intellectualism emerging amongst the most hardline islamists. It’s pretty similar to modern day evangelical christians. Seems strange to single them out.

    Since we’re on the atheism subreddit I’d like to say personally I’m a hard agnostic. In the sense that I think it is impossible to prove definitively whether God exists or not. At the same time I don’t act like there is one because I’ve not yet been convinced by any theological argument. I think the new atheism movement led by Dawkins et al from the noughties made a mistake focusing on individual religions. Religions are essentially an anthropological curiousity and failing to attempt to understand them is a handicap with regards to trying to understand other human societies.

    • Allah@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      0·
      20 days ago

      also

      Al-Ghazali forbade math.

      Ghazali, in his book, “The savior from Straying” (المنقذ من الضلال), states his position towards the math and philosophy, using this preface :

      “There may occur negative points from the mathematics:

      When someone starts to learn it, step by step, he will be interested in philosophies, and he will think that all other matters will be as clear as the math, so, when he sees the unhallowed speaking of the philosophers from the others, unintentionally, he will start to obey the unhallowed behavior of the philosophers, and will say: if the religion was right, so these great scholars would follow it, and when he hears that they (philosophers) deny the religion, he will say that the right path is to reject the religion…”

      After a detailed discussion, he concludes that :

      “To prevent ones from this big risk, we should prevent student from studying the mathematics. Although this knowledge (math) is not related to the religion directly, but because it is the starting point to getting stray, it (math) is forbidden.”

      This way, he forbade the math.

        • Allah@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          01·
          20 days ago

          🤣🤣🤣🤣

          Algebra was invented by Greeks, Babylonians, Indians, and Chinese. Al-Khwarizmi who was the father of algebra actually modified and translated the works of Greeks, Babylonians and Indians, and he was not an Arab, he was a Khwarizmian from Greater Persia

          he also popularized indian numeral system, nowadays 1234567890 are known to be hindu arabic numerals but they are actually hindu numerals , the only way “arabs” contributed to it was mass producing research.

          i am not saying arabs didn’t contribute to science it’s just pan-arabist and isalmist propaganda to say modern numbers and algebra are due to arabic/islamic impact