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This is one huge problem I have had with gun control advocates. In Canada they are basically banning all rifles that look ‘military’. The problem? All, and I mean ALL semi-auto rifles now look like that. Even ones that still have wooden furniture like a pre-WW2 era rifle can have them swapped out for black polymer and ‘look’ modern.
Even lever guns are sporting serious polymer furniture that make them look like sci-fi western guns.
The definition of ‘military style’ gun was created in the late 80s when your average gun owner was still owning their vintage ww2 surplus rifle (from the 1960s to 70s WW2 era rifles were so common on the market that there wasn’t that much room for anything truly new) that had that old school look while all new military rifles had switched to polymers and had protruding pistol grips.
The rhetoric has remained the same despite almost 40 years passing and a lot of basic changes.
Unpopular opinion, probably, but if your hobby, such as hiking, sewing, reading, improv comedy… kills more children than car crashes, someone should be allowed to take a look at stopping that. Unless the hobby is guns, of course, of course.
if we’re gonna ban stuff just based on deaths, we should get rid of fast food, soda, cigarettes, alcohol, and cars in general
I’ve always wondered. What is the thing on top of an M-16? Is that just a carrying handle?
Pretty much, yes. It also serves as a mount for the rear sight. Since the AR platforms keep all the major moving parts in a straight line back from the barrel, ergonomics requires the sights to be higher than usual to account for the shape of the face.
The other guy explained it better, but basically yes.
IDK why the second pic says “same capacity” when…you can see they don’t have the same capacity.
Then why don’t more people have that style of gun?
I hear this argument all the time about different banned features and attachments. (I own and shoot often btw)
Like for braces. People say it doesn’t make you more able to kill, when it does.
When there was a brief time where braces were legally iffy, I was using a sling instead. Let me tell you something, shooting with a sling is incredibly inaccurate compared to a brace.
Every shot removes the pressure you are putting on the sling, whereas a brace every shot pushes it into your shoulder more.
Shooting with a brace is incredibly similar to shooting with a stock, essentially identical just barely less comfortable.
People are so political when they talk about guns, just be honest with yourself. You can love guns and love regulation at the same time. Maybe we just shouldn’t have crazy people and violent people owning them?
That first graphic reminds me of sci fi author David Brin’s concept of a “militia rifle”.
(He published this a long time ago and I’m unclear if he still supports the idea)
Basically he argues:
- Mass shootings are a problem
- Resisting government tyranny is important
- (He claims) historically a group of people with lower capacity rifles can hold their own against people bearing high capacity automatics, because in many-vs-many battles the individual guns’ bullet output matters less (more about which group controls which points on the battlefield permitting covering of other points)
- So a mass shooter is a 1-vs-many scenario (shooter vs crowd)
- Resisting government tyranny is probably gonna be a many-vs-many scenario (militia vs army)
- Therefore it’s legit for people to own firearms that are low capacity, high hassle
Seems to me the California laws approach this design equilibrium.
Thank you for providing an explanation of this. I don’t know a lot about guns but this is very informative.
Someone needs to come up with a kit to make an AR look like the rifles at the top
If it is just as capable as an AR-15 then why not just buy that gun?
Hint: it isn’t.
All you have to do is buy a Mini-14 from Ruger instead of an AR to accomplish that.
Mini-14 is now prohib in Canada as of 2020. They say they did it because of the Polytechnique shooting in 1989, but they had passed sweeping gun legislation in the 90s already. It is kinda incredible how that shooting is still the number 1 talking point and they’ve practically competely forgotten about the Nova Scotia shooting in 2020. I think it is because they are well aware that the 2020 shooting was done pretty much entirely with firearms smuggled in from the US. And the one gun that he had that was sourced in Canada the RCMP let him have due to a major league fuckup when they had all the right to just take it.
Also he was forbidden from owning firearms well before the shooting. Despite countless complaints that he had guns and seemed to be planning something fucked, they chose to do nothing, as usual.
It’s funny how gun control is a legitimately important issue but some of its biggest and loudest advocates are more interested in looking busy and being ‘tough’ on guns rather than addressing actual problems.
Too easy
There already is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WA_guns/comments/bld13i/my_california_compliant_ar/?rdt=44855
This should be pretty close save for the ar mag
Only black powder guns, single round, should be sold to the public. Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3-ZWLSmgco&t=527s It’s all anybody needs for hunting.
1911s being from 1911 make my head spin.
1911 is the crocodile of guns. You can’t improve upon perfection.
The best way I’ve ever heard it described, “It’s the gun that forgot to become obsolete.”
I certainly love my Kimber 1911, I’ve never shot a 45 that groups as well as it
I fired an M-1911 a little while ago. It was the instructor’s personal weapon.
Turns out I’m magically some kind of crack shot with a .45. He was probably exaggerating but the instructor was an army ranger or sniper or something and told me he’d never see a beginner shoot that well.
So I’m probably some kind of Jason Bourne type who just forget about his past as a super duper soldier.
I put about twenty rounds through an area the size of a silver dollar. Short range — 7 yards I think — but he was still impressed. Or he was really good at hyping his students up.
Congrats of your Super soldier past life! I must have been a boat captain in a past life because when I got my skippers license, I’d never driven a boat, and the instructor was floored at my maneuvering skills and pulling alongside the pier after only 30 minutes of theory. He said “I set you up to fail because I didn’t warn you about the crosswind and the current, but you nailed it. Show me again.” And I repeated the maneuver again twice, perfectly pulling up to the designated spot each time. I felt pretty proud about that.
Who’s running Treadstone??
The M2 is almost as old. Both are still in service around the world. Both are John Browning designs.
It will never stop being funny to me that both the M2 and the 1911 are (according to scifi-fantasy franchise Warhammer 40.000) still in use in the 41st Millennium.
If it ain’t broke,
I’m not sure why this suprises people.
M2 Browning was bolted to basically everything american in ww2 and that was 80-90 years ago. It’s an old weapon
68 yr ago technically.
Ummm acktually the A2 developemnt began in 1979, which makes it 45 years old.
(Psssst, that was the “technically” part.)
Nah, the design of the A2 is uniquely different, if we want to be technically pedantic.
May I introduce you to the concept of technicalities.
Using this example to illustrate, technically the AR-15 and the M16a2 are the same platform, just with a few minor changes like the furniture. I mean we’re not considering the M4 a completely different platform just because of the feed ramps, are we? The second you swap from a quad rail to a free float system does it cease being an ar15? No not really, it’s still the same gun, but there are minor changes that only matter on clone rifles (which are usually not 100% anyway, why you only have two pinholes hmm?)
So, technically the A2 is different from the A1, and technically the A1 is different from the first ar15s with the addition of the forward assist, but technically they’re also all the same platform, at least close enough to say they’re the same thing. Thus: “Technically.”
Thank you for coming to my technicality Ted talk.
few minor changes like the furniture
And the fire control group, and the barrel design, and the reenforcement on the back of the receiver. The redesign of the sights is not merely cosmetic as fixed sights are more tied to rifles than removable. With those, and the other changes all standardized into one design.
And that somehow makes it a different platform than before, which is why they called it the m16a2 instead of the m17? We’re talking the Rifle of Theseus here.
So if I put together some magpul flippy bois, an FRT, a pencil barrel, and a Hoffman lower, is it not an ar15?
Time flies when you’re having fun. No justice in that at all.
Nam was fifty years ago, I think most people would think Hueys and M16s when asked that question.
When I joined the Army in 1994, my unit still had m16a1
Information that appeared to me in a dream confirms that the US Army was still issuing M16A1 lowers into the 2000s.
I was in the Army from 2000-2004. I started out with a Vietnam era belt/ suspender gear and an M16a2 (with some A1s still around for training) . By the time I got out, we had updated molly Vests and M4s.
I want to understand what you mean by that lol
We were using A2s back then. I would have loved to get my hands on an A1 though. Fully auto? Yes please!
I went to basic in 93 and we had A1’s in basic but my unit (101st) had A2’s for everyone, at least for the combat arms guys.
Is this a bic pen situation?
Are we forming a pen club here?
I’m quite fond of the number 15, can we include it in the pen club somehow?
I’m not seeing a difference
