As far as the mod action here go, it signals that this is not a place for actual discussion and shareworthy news.
They are proving that their community is not for learning news and seeing stuff you would not otherwise had know it. This is a community to share only the things we all know/believe in.
The article is by CNN based on about 80 pages report by Dinah Project and shared and discussed by other outlets:
And other outlets.
The conclusion for me here is clear.
YDI. It’s Israeli propaganda meant to justify Israel’s ongoing atrocities.
It’s Israeli propaganda
You got any proof of that?
The first question to ask, a basic of media literacy, is “is this feasible”. October 7th was an extensively planned and time-sensitive operation for everyone involved. When you’re conducting a surprise attack on multiple fronts, against an enemy that has immensely superior weaponry, surveillance, communications, and numbers to your own, every second matters. When every second matters, you can’t just take minutes to SA someone. Shooting someone who’s a threat? Quite possibly. Butremoved makes no sense in this situation.
The second question to ask is “what are the interests of parties involved and does the news make sense in their context”. From the accomplishment of the operation, taking hostages for bargaining purposes, it is clear that this was the main objective, with secondary objectives being to strike military installations, dispel the sense of Israeli invulnerability, and bring the plight of Palestinians to the forefront of global awareness. Trying to SA someone is counter to all these objectives: when you SA someone, they become a less cooperative hostage, you make yourself vulnerable, you lose out on options to take more hostages or hit more military targets, and you lose favor in the public eye.
The third question is “what is the power balance, and who has the ability to shape media narratives”. Israel is known to have a massive media spin apparatus, employing thousands if not tens of thousands of people. These allegations ofremoved serve the powerful against the powerless. Israel stands to gain from them, and Palestine stands to lose some of its goodwill.
Another approach is to look at other things that correlate with the story. We heard claims of massremoveds and claims of “40 beheaded babies” in the same breath from Israeli sources. There was never any images or other evidence provided of the beheadings (which also fail the other tests above), despite being lied about even by US government officials. We also have testimony of October 7th survivors describing how their captors were stern but respectful, and testimony of hostages saying how Hamas and their allies took a very arrogant pride in treating their captives “like good Muslims should”. Finally, on the other side of the illegal security partition, we have Israeli prisons, where people are held for years without being convicted and whereremoved and torture of detainees are commonplace. The public support for this is so firm that Israelis rioted against their military police doing an investigation of prison guardremoveds at Sde Teiman, a particularly notorious facility. We have a regime that is under strain, and needs every PR victory to marshal its society into the war of extermination, in order to avoid the coming of its own reckoning.
The IDF itself leads with the line “we are at war, and atrocities happen in war”. The united resistance makes appeals to standards for rules of engagement. It’s impossible to refute beyond a doubt whether anyremoved may have happened that day, but by and large, the orders and ambitions were not to do so. In comparison to other armed conflicts that ran across civilians, it seems highly likely that the incidence ofremoved from 10-7/Al-Aqsa Flood is much lower than average.
In this age of deepfakes and filter bubbles, answering these questions can take you a long way. This is the difference between critical thinking about media versus credulously accepting something that is stamped with a recognizable logo, and treating reality as an inconceivably long list of independently-assessable events rather than manifestations of broad patterns.
I’m sure Radio Mille-Collines had lots of official journalistical content talking about massremoveds just like the Dinah Project does. Would you give them credibility too?
I’m not going to say anything about deserving posts getting removed or not, but between falling for propaganda lies and punching down, you should be ashamed of yourself.
lol
lmao even
Oh, very nice proof/source you got there mate.
https://youtu.be/vhFm62msNGc?t=8295 (excuse the video source, this is the best discussion I’ve heard about this issue as someone who’s not a lawyer and going through the written reports)
It is those who make a claim who has the burden to prove it. It is not everybody else’s job to disprove them. The Zionists’ have failed to present any proof for these racist claims that convinces independent observers
Zionist terrorist organisations are notoriously untrustworthy sources (Beheaded babies, kHamas command centres under hospitals, Iran being just about to have nukes).
It is those who make a claim who has the burden to prove it.
They did not lift that burden
YDW, you should be fucking banned for trying to excuse genocide.
All those sources are knowm to lie for zionist propaganda. Take your hazbara lies elsewhere. The sea, perhaps, as you walk into it?
I genuinely think better of /worldnews for removing this. The fact they didn’t ban you for advocating violence is evidence they’re still licking boot though.
The sea, perhaps, as you walk into it?
Is this a “kys” straight from 4chan ?
trying to excuse genocide.
Where exactly did I do that?
You are a blight upon the world. Leave.
Leave to where?
Go to reddit, they’d love you over there
I use Reddit and Lemmy.
Do you want to convince me why should I use Reddit only?
No
Then on Lemmy, I am.
History
Israeli reports.
They are currently trying to ethnically cleanse a whole other group of people. I would take any reports they made about the group they are trying to exterminate with a very large grain of salt.
I normally hate on world news, in fact I have blocked it for quite a while out of disgust.
But this is a correct call, they did good here. The source is bad, it’s widely known to be propaganda, and its uncritical spread by USA mainstream media is a seen as a massive failure of journalistic integrity.
In other words, if the world news mods see this as a bridge too far, then other pro Israeli people should use caution when passing this blindly.
If one wants to know more about the hostages and what they suffered, read independent Israeli media instead.
This is debunked bullshit propaganda by the Israelis, so YDI.
Great, any links or sources for the debunking?
Stop trying to waste our time, hasbara.
Nope.
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat.
This bullshit has been debunked dozens of times every time this genocide apologia is brought up. Why are you posting Nazi Zionist lies?
Great, then post the link to the clear debunking of this article/ report.
It should be very easy for you, if it’s as you said.
Right?
No. You know you’re lying. We know you’re lying. Facts are nkt the sokution here. Facts wont change your mind. You dont give a shit about truth, so truth cannoy sway you.
You are a blight upon the world. Leave.
“Facts”
@pro@reddthat.com is a genocide supporting fascist.
Louder.
You are a blight upon the world. Leave.
Leave to where?
There is literally nothing to prove they have no sources but Israel and zero first hand testimony. Go away Zionist scum.
that’s not how this works. you make a claim, you provide evidence. nobody has to disprove your fairy tales when you didn’t provide any evidence to start with, you genocide supporting piece of shit.
80 pages of evidence. My dude.
You parrot words, without understanding what do they mean.
that’s a fucking israeli propaganda source, you dumbass. nothing in that reeport has a lick of truth. post some actual fucking proof.
I guess arguing with you is a real waste of time.
Your Loop.
Evidence » Proof.
that is propaganda
Great, where is your sources or proof that is a propaganda?
you did not provide any evidence
Return to step 1.
Rinse and repeat.
you’ve still yet to provide any proof. I guess the title of your post was right, it’s your feeling before facts.
you can’t even provide one bit of evidence that wasn’t made up by fucking israeli nazis to justify their murder of innocent people based on nothing more than racism and their feelings of religious supremacy. you’re nothing more than a scumbag genocide supporter. eat shit and die a agonizing death, you fascist fuck.
Continue your loop.
Idk how anyone can look at that source, the Dinah project and not see them as propaganda.
How so?
What part makes it look trustworthy to you?
Oh and the fact it has Gal Godot on the board
Or that they just made a book calling it their report
It’s on the front page. Also sealioning is bad.
YDI. the claims you made are either debunked or lack sufficient evidence (source) I’m not too familiar with AP News but I do know the other three sources you listed are known for promoting IDF / Israel propaganda
Associated Press is usually good. It’s US based but it’s usually unbiased and just reports facts. Their reporters were banned from entering the American presidential jet and palace almost as soon as Trump took office, so that should give an idea as to where AP’s loyalties lay.
They have reported the IDF’s statements as facts in the past though.
Oh, look… hasbara is butthurt because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
Yawn.
white supremacist propaganda.
Words have meaning my dude.
Oh, look… hasbara is still butthurt because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
their white supremacist propaganda.
Words still have meaning.
Oh, look… hasbara just can’t stop being butthurt because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
Don’t break your arm stroking yourself, bro.
Enjoy it, alone.
I rather live in the real world.
Oh, look… hasbara is now sulking because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.
Yes, an independent investigation source would be preferred. This was removed because the investigators were not independent.
That’s a good point too. I was lazy and didn’t double check the organisation that ran the investigation.
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when was the last time israel allowed independent investigations? they’ve been blocking those for years. I’m all for independant investigations of both sides, let’s get the UN investigators all up in israel’s bullshit. not just them, let’s get the ICC in there as well to investigate israel and hamas.
Well Israel has had bad experience with “independent” investigations like the Goldstone report for example turning out to be misleading.
lmao “misleading”, what a bunch of bullshit. there’s a reason israel doesn’t allow investigations or journalists into gaza to document. there’s a reason israel targets journalists for assassination. they don’t want the world to see their crimes against humanity, because their nation relies on welfare from foreign powers since it isn’t capable of surviving on its own. if the people of the nations supporting them see that israel is as bad as the nazis, then that welfare gets cut off.
What’s “independent” .
I am asking because I shared a lot of times reports( about Israel crimes) from middle east focused entities and no one had told me they are not independent.
What’s "independent
Like amnesty which their reports focus on all crimes regardless who commit it. Amnestry has report about israel, russia , iran, china , hamas etc
Amnesty tried to both sides Ukraine war lol
When they report crimes from both hamas and israel does it mean they both side the genocide? It’s job is to report about anybody the agressor and the aggressed, the occupier and the occupied
How does amnesty “remove” abuses?
What abuses did Ukraine a tuallt commit? Didn’t they back track on that once they got called out for being infiltrated by Russia.
I meant report abuses. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians
That doesn’t mean they justify russian agression What is your evidence of russian infiltrating it?
No direct evidence but the sloppiness of the job they did on that report along with timing and how Russia weaponized I dictats to me that they were politically motivated to rush it out
YDI.
You posted a propaganda piece and you are moaning about it being removed as a propaganda piece.
How is this a “Propaganda”?
how is russia saying ukrainians are nazis propaganda? answer one, you answer both.
how is russia saying ukrainians are nazis propaganda?
What are you talking about?
Form a logical sentence, If you want to be taken seriously.
I don’t really care if a fascist takes me seriously. I’d rather they didn’t, makes the end game easier for me.
I was not talking about me, I was talking about us as humans.
Our ability to form a logical sentences and communicate them is one of the things that separates us from monkeys.
Also, what end game are you talking about, thanos?
Have a think.
???
Did you have a think?
How does this relate here?
How does this relate here?
Have a think.
Have a think.
Thank you, I don’t need any drink.
So what where you saying?
Newly created account makes drama when called out for being an apologist for a genocidal entity
Newly created account
LOL
makes drama when called out for being an apologist for a genocidal entity
Where exactly was I " an apologist for a genocidal entity" ?
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Clearly overreach by the mods LW World News. I am honestly surprised deleted the article.
IMO CNN is not the best source, BBC or AP would have been better, but that doesn’t mean one should automatically delete anything from CNN.
It was removed not because the media source was unreliable, but because of the report source.
I got it, I posted before I realized this.
Quality moderation would have made that clear when there are several different possibilities baked into one rule.
BBC who refused to show two documentaries about gaza suffering and the leadership pushing journalists to spread israeli propaganda ?
bbc is a Zionist front lol
I wouldn’t go that far. They may have a bias on this issue, but you can hardly call them a Zionist front.
Trying reading news in russian (by russians). That’s what I call an imperialist front, even allegedly liberal, independent russian media occasionally crack and go on pro-imperialist rants.
There was is a famous opposition TV channel (banned in russia since Feb 2022) were the presenter suddenly went on a rant about “how we need to help our poor boys [the invading russian military]”.
It’s all a matter of context and frame of reference. :)
ohh make no mistake BBC is an imperialist front too
They are just heavily doing Zionism currently BC it is in vogue.
What else can you call this? https://www.owenjones.news/p/bbc-staff-were-forced-to-do-pro-israel
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