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This is a bad look for Apple: it shows that there’s basically no editorial independence at Apple TV, something that has been a well-established feature at for-profit newspapers and television channels for decades. This clearly demonstrates that Apple TV cannot be trusted when it comes to serious news.
Editorial independence a well established feature of for profit media? The fuck you smoking?
I don’t need to smoke anything, I simply live in the EU where this is commonplace.
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Don’t worry, with media independence being an area of concern for the EU, and with the Digital Services Act in the process of being enacted, we’ll no doubt soon Brussels-effect your biggest media providers into compliance. The rest will follow soon thereafter.
Holy, even here in europe you can’t bite the hand that feeds you.
“According to The Hollywood Reporter, ahead of its decision to end The Problem, Apple approached Stewart directly and expressed its need for the host and his team to be “aligned” with the company’s views on topics discussed. Rather than falling in line when Apple threatened to cancel the show, Stewart reportedly decided to walk.”
The least surprising thing possible to any Jon Stewart fan.
I can’t wait to see him on the late night shows.
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I can’t imagine any manager who’s dense enough not to know what Stewart’s reaction would be to that sort of line, and whoever suggested a meeting about it should be ashamed.
The day he runs for president (and wins) will be a day that people full of bullshit will remember as the beginning of the end…
This is disappointing of Apple. You hire someone like Jon Stewart and you have to expect him to do hard hitting journalism! Apple is one of the biggest companies in the whole world, they can afford to support their journalists. I’m sure HBO has gone to bat for John Oliver for worse.
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Good thing you don’t spend money on their products. You’d be silly to do that after disliking them so much.
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They have their mouths full of winnie the pooh’s cock, and at this point they dont care about anything else.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they already monitor your imessages and if they are critical of china they snitch to the local confucius institute.
I am very neutral on this in general. Honestly, Stewart does not need Apple at this point pretty much at all.
But man, to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting. I’ve seen Stewart’s “disappointed in you and not particularly worried about it” face and it’s weapons grade old dad disappointment. There were definitely sweaty outlines on many of those chairs by the end of it.
Stewart does not need Apple at this point pretty much at all.
Did he ever tho?
It’s Jon Stewart. He can start a YouTube show and hit millions of subscribers within a week.
And then get banned from YouTube because he’s not aligning with the company
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Stewart could single-handedly start “JonTube” and it would be a success with no content but his own.
I could only dream of a news network with Jon at the helm. Fuck it would be glorious.
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Not YouTube: too controversial. But I wouldn’t put it past him to start his own federated service.
Good on him for sticking to his ideals. I don’t always see eye to eye with Stewart, but he’s smart, principled, and articulate. Very interesting to hear how Apple is so married to China and AI. I wonder how much we don’t hear because companies and media are afraid of angering the CCP. Thankfully Biden is continuing Trump’s policies of decoupling from China. We can’t do business with genocidal dictatorships and expect to walk away unscathed.
We can’t do business with genocidal dictatorships and expect to walk away unscathed.
Yeah, we learned not to do business with genocidal dictatorships after ww2… Except all those dictatorships that we funded to kill leftists.
But then we learned not to do business with genocidal dictatorships after the cold war… Except all those dictatorships that we funded to buy oil.
But this time I’m sure we definitely learned not to do business with genocidal dictatorships even when they align with our policy goals.
Let’s take the win. This time we heed history.
It’s almost like corporate profits are more important than the message.
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Thank god it was cancelled… people would have discovered that china uses ai for controlling their citizens (and possibly others). Something that is totally not known to anyone
Canceling Apple TV over this, knew they were spineless, but this is pathetic since it’s one of the few shows I watch on it. Growing really tired of all these service subscriptions as it is.
I’ll do you one better - I’m going to pirate every apple show I watch just do they don’t get my money.
I refer to this tactic by its official name: “How I watch everything already.” 🏴☠️
I appreciate that this is a forum for Apple enthusiasts, but as someone who is not particularly enthusiastic about any big tech company but loves Jon Stewart, I consider this good news. Hopefully he’ll keep it going somewhere else.
First episode on the new network - The Problem With Apple
You know he’s gonna talk about it soon
Apple also makes original content for Apple News+, they have some podcasts. I wonder if their original work there is subject to the same policy. If so, that really undermines their credibility as a news source.
Yeah no shit. Who would have thought that a phone making company wouldn’t be beholden to the highest journalistic standards.
I’m sure he can move his show to another service without these Apple hangups.
“John, you’re fucking with our yuans.”
Honestly, I don’t get why he didn’t just go on YouTube full episodes instead of apple. I would love to watch his show, but I don’t want to pay apple a subscription.
Because Google didn’t offer him a contract
Why does he need a contract. He can just make a YouTube channel and start making money from ad revenue (I know it’s not much), sponsors, patreon, memberships and so on.
That would not be sustainable long term for this type of show, he’s not a single youtube content creator with maybe 1-3 editors, he has a buttload of staff who presumably get paid professional wages and his team uses a buttload of expensive professional equipment and has to do a buttload of expensive legwork and research and so on.
You mean like Linus media group and other big YouTube channels? Those, too, have buttload of whatever you mentioned. Anyway, I’ll stop here. I really hate arguing online.
LMG has slowly built up their YouTube audience over many years and grew their revenue along with it, you couldn’t just plop down an unknown Linus Media Group cold onto YouTube today and succeed. In addition to that Linus Media Group relies on a metric shit-ton of short and long form content output, which isn’t the format of what is essentially a talk show.
Stewart is already a very well known dude and he can build his audience in a very short time. Linus started from zero. Jon is starting from 1000. He won’t need to build anything. He’ll only a couple of social media posts and he’ll have millions of subs. Anyway, this is moot. He will still do his own thing. He doesn’t even know who I am anyway. Lol
Moving an audience between two internet platforms isn’t as easy as you think, much less moving between TV and internet.
And that still wouldn’t solve the whole issue of YouTube not being designed around TV show long-form content. You can’t just lift and shift a talk show to YouTube and expect it to make the same money. The volume of content LMG has to put out on a daily basis is nuts. They’re constantly working on on a dozen project at once, need multiple hosts, and even multiple channels with themed content.
You’re comparing apples and oranges don’t seem to understand the glaring differences between these two things lol.
He needs a contract to make money. Putting his episodes on YouTube without being paid to do it would benefit Google.
The message he’s sending is: “if you want my show, pay me”.
The $250 he would earn with Adsense on YouTube is irrelevant.
You answered your own question. Not having to deal with all those different revenue streams is worth something and I’m sure Apple offered him more than he’d get that way, too
Millions of creators are “dealing” with them just fine. Not sure what so hard about setting up a patreon account or coordinating with sponsors. Pretty sure it is much easier than dealing with a multi-trillion dollar corporation. It just feels wrong he’s putting his voice behind a paywall where many people could just benefit from it if it were on YouTube.
Millions of actors get by performing in local theaters but George Clooney probably wouldn’t take that gig. Jon Stewart is not on the same level as YouTubers. I can’t imagine he’d even make half of his contract on YouTube
It just feels wrong he’s putting his voice behind a paywall where many people could just benefit from it if it were on YouTube.
I get what you mean here and agree with the sentiment. I just can’t blame him for taking the significantly better deal
I am by no means hating on the man. I love his work and admire his courage to face assholes and call them out on their bullshit. Hence I want to be able to see his episodes on YouTube. And I do understand he needs to get paid. I’m just stating my point of view, no hate or judgement. Not everyone can afford subscription/wants a subscription through a huge corporation. Many, many people would be more than happy to pay the creators directly. I do. I don’t want this to spiral into an argument.
Hey now we’re not arguing here! I wholly agree with your reasoning, I was just explaining why he’d take a paywalled Apple deal over ads and patreon. I don’t subscribe to any streaming services myself
Because they can’t get actual content deals.
YouTube videos are a terrible source of revenue.
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Just cancelled Apple TV+ 🙂
