He was an alleged armed murderer and they detained him as the suspect. Where I live the bag being searched would probably be allowed under reasonable suspicion.
Let’s be real though. He did it, we know he did it, and Lemmy is just hoping that he can get off on some technicality. I hope he’s convicted because, ya shouldn’t be able to just shoot someone you don’t like. Yes, he shot a scumbag. But that’s a slippery slope because I think lots of people are scumbags, but I don’t shoot them.
I wanna see Luigi convicted and sentenced to life in prison. But I also want to see insurance execs like the one he shot, convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
The police officers failed to inform him of his rights before a custodial interrogation, so use of the information gathered in those 20 minutes in court would violate his rights as an American citizen who is owed a fair trial that follows due process.
In addition to that, the police officers violated his constitutional rights by searching his possessions without a warrant.
By convicting him, we allow police officers to act as authoritarian jackboots, with no regard for law or due process. We give up the very rights we fought for in the violent birth of our nation. Some could argue that Luigi was fighting against a similar type of tyranny that our Founding Fathers were in their revolution against British oppression.
Perhaps he did shoot that CEO in broad daylight. Maybe he didn’t. It doesn’t matter, as convicting him would be surrendering our liberties and that should enrage any patriot.
You know what point I am making. And ya know he did it, you just want him to get away with it. So just admit that. Don’t dance around and pretend that you have other reasoning.
Either way, I guess we are gonna find out what a jury thinks.
Sure, the rules must be followed. Which means not walking up behind a guy and murdering him just because he’s a health exec ya don’t like. Luigi deserves to spend rest of his life in prison.
Any confession obtained without his lawyer present would be invalid and most likely coerced. Also, even if he did it, I personally don’t consider the victim to be human, so unless they’re charging luigi with a form of animal abuse, the charges being brought against him aren’t even the correct ones.
Also, even if he did it, I personally don’t consider the victim to be human
That’s my point. You don’t think someone is human for being a bad guy. So just fucking say that instead of screaming Luigi is innocent.
Here’s the thing, all you Lemmys crying “He’s innocent, I tell you! Show me the proof!!” That’s not really your true feelings. Your true feelings are that he murdered what you consider to be a capitalist rich prick. So you thinks it ok.
Truth: No revolution is going to happen. The rich aren’t running scared. This guy murdered someone in cold blood and will spend rest of his life in prison. In ten years, no one is even gonna remember his name.
And see, you know all of that is true. But it pisses you off. So you get good feels for saying, “He’s innocent!!” You know he’s not. And you know that you were counting on some revolution and “eat the rich” shit happening.
Nothing changed by him murdering some wealthy insurance exec. Nothing.
Then nothing is going to change by holding anyone accountable. So if that’s true, what’s going to change by punishing anyone for the death of that wealthy insurance exec?
Because that’s our law and rule of the land. He did he crime, he can do the time. Besides he’s super proud of it and you all will donate plenty to his prison fund, so he’ll have plenty of ramen noodles to eat.
If you don’t like the laws, then vote someone in who will change them.
Except it’s not the law of the land. Laws are applied equally to everyone. If the rule of law existed, fat shitbags in suits wouldn’t get to make decisions that defrauds their clients and directly leads to their deaths, then hide behind a corporation to avoid justice.
Every day Brian Thompson went to work was an affront to justice and our legal system, and no one did a goddamn thing about it. But someone allegedly kills him to save the lives of others, and THAT is suddenly a problem.
Except it’s not. Because as I stated earlier laws are applied equally and to everyone. The failure of our justice system to punish people like Brian Thompson does not impart or imply guilt on the behalf of someone that committed an act to defend themselves and others.
Murder is not against the law when it’s in defense of yourself or others. That’s established precedent. There is no established precedent today allows businesses or their executives to escape punishment for actions that directly lead to the harm and deaths of others. Especially when the people that are being harmed and killed are clients and customers of said business.
From a legal standpoint what Brian Thompson did was just as bad as defrauding shareholders which is a serious crime. And he was also trying to kill his companies clients, which from a moral standpoint makes him worse than a run of the mill murderer.
Whoever killed him was protecting the integrity of the business and shareholders interests. And what they did also would have been completely in self-defense if they themselves were a customer.
Law doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it either applies to everyone or it doesn’t exist at all. If the law didn’t exist when it came to punishing Brian Thompson why should it exist in any other respect to him?
I’ll be honest. I think Luigi’s a spoiled rich kid prick that wanted to make a statement and doesn’t know how the world works and got pissed that something didn’t go his way. And he grew up in the very wealth that Lemmy likes to pretend to fight against (even tho the average Lemmy user makes way more than the average US citizen).
I can forgive him for that and the murder.
But I can’t forgive those eyebrows or all the multiple Lemmys saying variations of “Oh he’s good looking! I’m a straight guy, but he’s giving me feels…” No. Just no. Those fucking eyebrows need to be apologized for.
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Also, wasn’t one of the issues that they searched the backpack on site, no gun.
Then suddenly, miraculously found a gun in it once they got it to the station?
He was an alleged armed murderer and they detained him as the suspect. Where I live the bag being searched would probably be allowed under reasonable suspicion.
Let’s be real though. He did it, we know he did it, and Lemmy is just hoping that he can get off on some technicality. I hope he’s convicted because, ya shouldn’t be able to just shoot someone you don’t like. Yes, he shot a scumbag. But that’s a slippery slope because I think lots of people are scumbags, but I don’t shoot them.
I wanna see Luigi convicted and sentenced to life in prison. But I also want to see insurance execs like the one he shot, convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
Fuck it, I’ll play.
The police officers failed to inform him of his rights before a custodial interrogation, so use of the information gathered in those 20 minutes in court would violate his rights as an American citizen who is owed a fair trial that follows due process.
In addition to that, the police officers violated his constitutional rights by searching his possessions without a warrant.
By convicting him, we allow police officers to act as authoritarian jackboots, with no regard for law or due process. We give up the very rights we fought for in the violent birth of our nation. Some could argue that Luigi was fighting against a similar type of tyranny that our Founding Fathers were in their revolution against British oppression.
Perhaps he did shoot that CEO in broad daylight. Maybe he didn’t. It doesn’t matter, as convicting him would be surrendering our liberties and that should enrage any patriot.
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That’s def not the majority opinion on Lemmy! lol
I do. Because I think he did it. I’m not on the jury, so I’m allowed to have my opinion before I see every fact.
Innocent until proven guitly. Without that, we can not claim to be a free country.
Agreed, but I’m not a juror, so I can express my opinion. But what’s your excuse gonna be if he confesses?
A confession of guilt is still innocent until proven guilty. Im not sure what point you are trying to make.
You know what point I am making. And ya know he did it, you just want him to get away with it. So just admit that. Don’t dance around and pretend that you have other reasoning.
Either way, I guess we are gonna find out what a jury thinks.
I dont know the guy, and i dont know if hes guilty or not. i could not care less if he is guilty or not.
What I care about is the rule of law. The rules exist to protect citizens from both criminals and the police. The rules must be followed.
Sure, the rules must be followed. Which means not walking up behind a guy and murdering him just because he’s a health exec ya don’t like. Luigi deserves to spend rest of his life in prison.
You are totally missing the point, still. The man, everyman, is innocent until proven guilty. How do you not understand that?
If the only evidence they have is the bullshit provided by the police, then it’s impossible to say they got the right guy
What’s your excuse gonna be if he confesses?
Two questions: 1) do you actually think that works on people, and 2) is 50 yuan even worth it?
I don’t know what you mean.
Any confession obtained without his lawyer present would be invalid and most likely coerced. Also, even if he did it, I personally don’t consider the victim to be human, so unless they’re charging luigi with a form of animal abuse, the charges being brought against him aren’t even the correct ones.
That’s my point. You don’t think someone is human for being a bad guy. So just fucking say that instead of screaming Luigi is innocent.
Here’s the thing, all you Lemmys crying “He’s innocent, I tell you! Show me the proof!!” That’s not really your true feelings. Your true feelings are that he murdered what you consider to be a capitalist rich prick. So you thinks it ok.
Truth: No revolution is going to happen. The rich aren’t running scared. This guy murdered someone in cold blood and will spend rest of his life in prison. In ten years, no one is even gonna remember his name.
And see, you know all of that is true. But it pisses you off. So you get good feels for saying, “He’s innocent!!” You know he’s not. And you know that you were counting on some revolution and “eat the rich” shit happening.
Nothing changed by him murdering some wealthy insurance exec. Nothing.
Then nothing is going to change by holding anyone accountable. So if that’s true, what’s going to change by punishing anyone for the death of that wealthy insurance exec?
Because that’s our law and rule of the land. He did he crime, he can do the time. Besides he’s super proud of it and you all will donate plenty to his prison fund, so he’ll have plenty of ramen noodles to eat.
If you don’t like the laws, then vote someone in who will change them.
Except it’s not the law of the land. Laws are applied equally to everyone. If the rule of law existed, fat shitbags in suits wouldn’t get to make decisions that defrauds their clients and directly leads to their deaths, then hide behind a corporation to avoid justice.
Every day Brian Thompson went to work was an affront to justice and our legal system, and no one did a goddamn thing about it. But someone allegedly kills him to save the lives of others, and THAT is suddenly a problem.
Except it’s not. Because as I stated earlier laws are applied equally and to everyone. The failure of our justice system to punish people like Brian Thompson does not impart or imply guilt on the behalf of someone that committed an act to defend themselves and others.
Murder is not against the law when it’s in defense of yourself or others. That’s established precedent. There is no established precedent today allows businesses or their executives to escape punishment for actions that directly lead to the harm and deaths of others. Especially when the people that are being harmed and killed are clients and customers of said business.
From a legal standpoint what Brian Thompson did was just as bad as defrauding shareholders which is a serious crime. And he was also trying to kill his companies clients, which from a moral standpoint makes him worse than a run of the mill murderer.
Whoever killed him was protecting the integrity of the business and shareholders interests. And what they did also would have been completely in self-defense if they themselves were a customer.
Law doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it either applies to everyone or it doesn’t exist at all. If the law didn’t exist when it came to punishing Brian Thompson why should it exist in any other respect to him?
There’s no slope more slippery than eroding due process.
Sure. But what’s your excuse gonna be if he confesses?
Even aside from human rights, those eyebrows look very different in every security camera picture and on Luigi
But what’s your excuse gonna be if he confesses?
Excuse for what? If he confesses, he should explain what he did to his eyebrows.
I’ll be honest. I think Luigi’s a spoiled rich kid prick that wanted to make a statement and doesn’t know how the world works and got pissed that something didn’t go his way. And he grew up in the very wealth that Lemmy likes to pretend to fight against (even tho the average Lemmy user makes way more than the average US citizen).
I can forgive him for that and the murder.
But I can’t forgive those eyebrows or all the multiple Lemmys saying variations of “Oh he’s good looking! I’m a straight guy, but he’s giving me feels…” No. Just no. Those fucking eyebrows need to be apologized for.