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The big Spanish football clubs needs to futureproof against potential Catalan independence. If Catalonia breaks from Spain, the Spanish government won’t let Barcelona play in La Liga and also a Catalan government wouldn’t want Barcelona playing over there either. It would de-legitimize an independent Catalonia. Barcelona is their crown jewel
I’m not advocating for the Super League, I’m just saying that this is probably a part of their thinking.
I dont disagree specifically with what he’s saying. He has a point, but the SL isn’t the answer, even with the PL being a de facto SL.
All that being said, I dont remember La Liga complaining circa 2008 to ≈ 2016 when a Ronaldo/Messi lead La Liga was kicking the shit out of everyone else and taking everyone else’s best players.
Arsenal lost so many players to Barcelona that they may as well have relocated the runway for London to Barcelona flights to N7.
How many players did Arsenal lose to Barca, who were still in their prime? Because you’re making shit up
All moves in cycles. PL will fall back down again eventually.
Don’t agree at all.
As the premier English speaking league the PL is going to be ahead of the rest of Europe forever.
The only possible contender is the possiblity of a strong American or Chinese league in the very, very distant future.
Italy, France, Spain, Germany etc… have no chance of ever pulling back ahead.
Arsenal were a selling club after 2010 tbf
Even before then. They sold Anelka, Viera, Thierry, Overmas, Petit, Reyes etc before 2010
Not so much a selling club as a really-bad-at-renewing-contracts club. I can’t think of any time we actually made good money by selling, and it felt like there were always a couple of key players on the last year of their contract since the management just couldn’t do the business. Edu has almost been a bigger revelation than Arteta, simply by being quietly competent.
with the PL being a de facto SL.
The Premier League isn’t a “De facto super league”, it’s just the most successful league and that entirely comes from it’s own business model and the failings of the rest of Europe because they allowed greed to funnel every single resource they had into the top teams.
Serie A were the biggest league in the world in the 90s, they had some of the most recognisable teams, the best players. But they couldn’t be happy with that. The match fixing scandal fucked them, the owners didn’t invest in the clubs, once legendary stadiums have begun to fall down.
La Liga have arguably the two most iconic clubs in the world, they had the two biggest names in footballing history. They have had the lions share of every ballon d’or.
Again, not enough for them. They needed more, and so they took more.
The top of la Liga right now can’t even afford their own training grounds, whilst Barca is pulling it’s 22nd lever of the year.
And in the 80s-90s when Serie A was attracting a lot of talent.
PL will never fall back down
The officials over here are doing their best
Perhaps stop beating the super league drum and address the shortcomings of your league.
I agree the Super League is not the answer. But you cannot just address the shortcomings of a league to be competitive with the PL. It’s not that only the PL is making smart decisions.
No, it’s just the richest league where most money is thrown around. Give that money to the Eredivisie and within a decade it will be a much much stronger league as well.
It’s an improbable counterfactual… PL became successful because it had entertaining games & narrative, good competition, strong domestic demand that could be monetized and all the benefits of being English in an English speaking world.
What does he think will happen in the super league too?
Yeah they will earn more money, but so too will the other teams. So it’s all pointless
Still English teams can throw money at getting the players they want. Players get paid well at Barca and Madrid, but the lure there is prestige.
You are completely correct, he needs to address the shortcomings of the Spanish league.
Better broadcast rights, and more widespread broadcasting.
Help other clubs compete with Barca and Madrid by curbing their disregard of the financial rules.
Make it more attractive for talent to remain in Spain
Better broadcast rights, and more widespread broadcasting.
There’s limited number of football fans in the world and the vast vast vast majority don’t speak a word of Spanish.
La Liga is already available around the world but people in the US, India, Africa etc… want to watch a league where they can understand the language.
Help other clubs compete with Barca and Madrid by curbing their disregard of the financial rules.
Making the league more competitive won’t make much difference. Serie A has been very competitive the last few years but no one watches it outside of Italy.
Meanwhile the PL does nothing but grow and grow every day.
There’s nothing La Liga can do to compete.
If language plays such an important role, then why 400m+ Africans not supporting the French league? For me it all comes down to what football is most accessible in their country, and to a lesser extent, where their best countryman plays.
the vast vast vast majority don’t speak a word of Spanish.
This doesn’t matter. Broadcast the games in English lol. I don’t get why people think this matters so much, the EPL is full of players who don’t speak English. Real is the most popular team in the world, and that’s not because only the Spanish speaking world is backing them.
Improve the product, and the money will come in.
Barcelona is what gave me my love for football, but it’s way harder to watch the Spanish League in America, so I end up watching EPL way more
All Spanish league matches are available on ESPN+ for 5. Bucks a month
That’s cheaper than premier league now in a way but PL was on NBC & NBCSN when it was included in most cable packages before peacock came along and ESPN+ was an add on not many brought before it started getting bundled with Disney/Hulu
The fact that they allowed clubs to negotiate their own TV deals is the reason they’re in this position now. They essentially created a scenario where the 2 biggest clubs had all the money, and thus, the league became highly uncompetitive and thus boring to watch. And if they want to create a super league, they should and can go ahead, but we all know they’ll need premier league clubs for it to really be successful.
address the shortcomings of your league.
There’s no steps they can take that would bring La Liga back to PL level.
Jude Bellingham. Vini Jnr. Soon to be Kylian Mbappe.
Real and Barca have more pull than any club in world football. Barca managed to gazump overspending Chelsea summer 2022 on multiple signings.
Atletico don’t have the same pull but they wouldn’t super league or no super league.
Real and Barca is pretty much all La Liga got.
Let’s be honest you can ateltico right off the table in terms of viewers. The style of football they play is so boring that it puts most fans off. That’s fine if you want to hover around the top 3-4 teams in Spain but lack longevity for bringing in new fans and making it more economically viable to actually catch up to the big two. No casual or new fan will really support atletico, we may all watch the odd game, but the bubble around them burst, and they need to think how to get to that next level. Clubs like Brighton have the right idea of sustainable growth married with watchable football. I’d imagine this would have a great impact on new fans for them. Atletico hit a plateau where they won a few things and then just stayed boring. Like they have no risk of relegation or anything and outstrip most clubs in terms of player quality in Spain but just bore the life put of anyone who has been watching teams like city real barca arsenal Brighton and so on. Spanish league needs a whole rethink, and the Super League would be the final nail in many clubs coffins.
I’m not saying this is all they need to do, but what they need to do is reorganize their licensing like the prem did. Get control of Real and Barca(especially Barca) and promote the product massively in Spanish speaking countries. Prem was equal with Spain up until they got the second BIG deal with the US and NBC once that happened it was over.
The need to bring up the competitiveness of La Liga. Games between the top 3 teams are the only ones worth watching. That’s 6 in total. Meanwhile ManU struggling to put away Luton Town. Popcorn worthy television.
Yeah there’s a big game almost every week in the PL. city vs Liverpool next 🥵
promote the product massively in Spanish speaking countries
The problem is most of those countries are either low population or have extremely well established leagues.
Part of the strength of PL’s growth is that they’re English speaking and growing into empty massive markets where there’s zero competition (US, India, China, Japan, Africa).
Argentina and Mexico already have their own football culture and even if you include Brazil everyone there already supports Brazilian clubs
The reason you go after those countries is because of cost, you don’t need to add any broadcasting partners you just take the Spanish coms and sell it directly to the markets. It’s not to compete with the pan american leagues its to work along side them.
It’s not to compete with the pan american leagues its to work along side them.
Yeah you’re not getting it.
The average football fan supports 1 club. He has time and room in his/her heart for one club and in Mexico/Brazil/Argentina that spot in already taken by local teams who are a good standard who he’s supported his entire life already.
He isn’t going to stop supporting Flamengo and watch every Real Madrid game. No one behaves that way.
Where as the guy in the US who likes playing FIFA who’s starting watching football and wants a team to support is going to pick a team from an English speaking country because it’s so much easier to engage with. And he won’t pick an MLS side because the standard sucks and he has no emotional connection to it.
If there was a wealthy Spanish speaking country with no football culture then La Liga would be killing it in that growth market right now but such a place doesn’t exist.
growing into empty massive markets where there’s zero competition (US, India, China, Japan, Africa).
…what? Those markets are EXTREMELY competitive lol. First off, Africa not having its own football culture? Its probably the one thing that is consistent across the whole continent lol. Football is the biggest sport in probably every single country there, with most countries having healthy leagues that are broadcast consistently.
Back to the no competition, it is way harder to get someone who isn’t a football fan at all to watch a game than to get someone who already enjoys the sport to watch a different game. The US and India already have sports that are entrenched into the top spots, the thing the EPL did is market itself well and made good broadcast deals to be available in those areas even before the big contracts kicked in.
For context, despite the PL being such a huge league, Barca and Real still have way larger global fanbases than any other team bar Manchester United. That’s because those teams dominated the spotlight when the game was expanding. Key differences is the teams around United were given the facilities to flourish and get better with time whilst La Liga funnelled its resources to Barca and Real even more. The EPL didn’t decide to just market United, La Liga decided to market its big two and that’s on them
This
Half the biggest clubs in Europe were founded by posh English lads abroad who wanted a kickabout when cricket season was over
Atletico started as a branch of Athletic (English name) Bilbao which was founded by British workers and Basque students studying in England
Football’s kind of our thing so it’s a bit of a cheek to complain we’re doing it better than everyone else, consider it a gift and be grateful!
Football’s kind of our thing so it’s a bit of a cheek to complain we’re doing it better than everyone else
When is the last time England won a tournament?
A lot of the Premier League’s success abroad is surely a lot to do with the English language. Few of the players, managers, or owners are English.
The Spanish perspective he didn’t say this when UCL final
Won’t the super have 4 teams from Spain… What about the other 16 and the rest of the leagues ?
Real Madrid and Barcelona had messi and cr7 for years.
Does England use tax money to build teams?
Just the stadiums sometimes.
This guy has just made his manager the highest paid in the world. 30m a year. Maybe spending that on some players may help him. Absolute idiot.
But I was convinced by La liga fans that it’s the strongest league in the world??? Jokes aside tho they should look to improve La liga. Super league still isn’t the answer
He’s not wrong, there’s a massive power imbalance in European football, and it doesn’t bode well for the continent in its entirety. Super League is needed, if for no other reason but to screw UEFA over.
Lol. Now all those players don’t want Barca anymore they are crying. For years Barca and Madrid would get a lot of players that only wanted to be in Spain.
The difference between the prem and other leagues is healthy competitions. I know there’s the ‘Big 6’ but realistically the prem’s mid league is tougher and more competitive than any other in Europe.
Competition breeds success