Despite how terrible Burnley and Sheffield United have been so far this season, what’s keeping those two managers in their jobs? At least Luton have managed to adjust to the premier league and are now getting results after a poor start
“This long”, bro it’s not even Christmas.
It’s still only a third of the way into the season. Things can still turn around and narratives in football move fast. Everyone had Luton to go down after the first 5 games but now some are saying they could stay up after some good performances and results.
We may see some sackings around Christmas time or just after if things don’t improve for either of those clubs.
Think losing to teams like Palace and West Ham at home has ended any chance of survival as good as those two teams are, fixtures at home against those kind of sides have to be key to picking up points for survival
We played better than both of those teams though. Go on fotmob and look at the stats or actually watch the games (imagine that)
13 games in they’ve played 6 of the top 8, think that’s pretty par for the course, given that you have to play everyone within 19.
The remaining teams we have to play are ranked 12.5/19.
As you’ve suggested, it’s obviously starting to level out after 2/3 of the first half of the season, but that’s still going to be a kinder fixture list than most.
Had a look, because that’s an interesting point. For the teams right down there, the average next 6 are:
Everton - 9.33
Sheff U - 10.83
Luton - 9.16
Bournemouth - 11.5
So you’ve definitely got a little edge, and playing Sheff U and Everton will be massive too. I also don’t rule out us (Forest) or Fulham getting dragged into it properly either!
Burnley stuck with Dyche through many years of promotion and relegation between the Championship and Premier League. I am amazed that anyone is thinking that Kompany’s position is on the line. Burnley are not the type of club to fire a manager after a poor start to the season.
Haven’t they changed ownership since then?
Yes they have, however I believe that the owner will stick with VK, through this season and see how it works out. Additionally, if/when they go down, he’ll stick with him through the first half of next season also.
That’s all irrelevant as soon as you get new owners. The “type” of club you are is entirely defined by who owns the club. The previous owners were not the type to sack willy nilly, doesn’t mean the new owners are necessarily the same. Who do you think would be in a senior enough position to fire the manager, that has existed through the various ownerships, and has maintained a club philosophy like that? Very rarely. A DoF would do that if they retained their role across ownerships, but if you are reporting directly to the owner then the club takes its shape from the owners management style
JJ Watt (retired NFL player) Dude Perfect (Youtubers)
Must be other investors as well. But neither of those mentioned would seem to be driving any type of change without a clear DoF in charge.
Granted I do like both JJ and DP but I wouldn’t expect them to know the complexities surrounding promotion/relegation in the EPL
Think that JJ would know more about pro/rel than DP. His wife is a professional footballer.
I am happy they are backing their manager. This current climate where a manager should get sacked after a few months of poor results is just terrible.
Everton point deduction has given hopes to relegation teams as well so they will be more motivated thinking they have a chance to stay up
Think Bournemouth are in more danger than Everton
Because changing manager won’t magically make their limited squads significantly better, and for some clubs stability is more important than committing organisational suicide on the altar of Premier League survival.
Sheffield United, Burnley and Luton will probably see survival as a bonus rather than an expectation this year, and hopping on an expensive managerial merry go round in November probably isn’t a key part of their strategies.
ecause changing manager won’t magically make their limited squads significantly better
Wish more club owner’s understood this. So many sacking coaches thinking bringing a new coach in will magically change everything. Leeds have been guilty of this over the past few years.
Bruh the average Brazilian team goes through like 4 coaches a year, no exaggeration.
@ Watford
Wish more Redditors understood this too.
Changing their manager can only help Sheffield United. Heckingbottom is awful and totally out of his depth
But can they get someone better? Someone who’s not out of their depth, but also willing to helm a bottom of the table team?
What’s not? Burnley might pull the trigger I don’t know how much they value Kompany but Sheffield United for example what are they seriously expecting Heckingbottom to do? It’s all well and good sacking but a replacement can’t necessarily work a miracle either in keeping a team up. I’m not sure there’s three teams worse than either of these so I think relegation is probably inevitable
Sheff Utd has looked a mess for the past few years, I think the pandemic killed that club as they were doing so well back in the prem during 2019/20 and became one of the worst ever premier league sides the following. Find it weird that Paul Heckingbottom originally replaced Chris Wilder that season and is still there but with talk in the background of Wilder replacing him this year
I think we should encourage the concept of sticking by a manager rather than encouraging the toxic concept of sacking them when it isn’t panning out perfectly
I’m convinced VK will still be there come the start of next season
Burnley are playing long game with Kompany. Will get relegated, build squad further, and look to come back up the year after even stronger.
Do you honestly think different managers could have either of those sides in a better position? They both lack so much quality. It’s easy to say sack them but who is available to replace them, would want the job, and would get better results?
Yes, look at the evidence of last season where Leicester should’ve sacked Rodgers much earlier and likely would’ve stayed up. Leeds got big Sam in the door too late as well
Look at the evidence of other clubs in a completely different scenario ?
Just as much chance with Burnley sacking the manager, still being relegated and then having to completely alter the play style and do no better in the championship
Leeds and Leichester have a lot more money then Burnley and we’re both a lot more established in the prem
Yeah? Like look at Luton.
Even among the standards of newly promoted clubs they’re both doing shit. Is it really that impossible to imagine someone out there might be capable of doing at least a tiny bit better?
Maybe both clubs are tied to a certain style and are adamant that both managers are best suited for it? I’m sure both clubs would want to stay in the division, but if the boards of both clubs think that their styles of play are what they want to stick with then arguably that’s what they’ll live or die by.
It’s also a case of personnel- would changing to a more pragmatic manager change their fortunes, or are they suited to playing the way they are? Bringing in a manager suited for a rescue job potentially means spending to buy players that fit that too. It’s tricky because in the Championship they can blow teams away playing champagne football, whereas in the PL there will be a dozen clubs who do it better than them. You see it at least once a year with a promoted club.
We need to be doing better, but I don’t see why sacking the manager who got us here after 13 games is the answer. We’re improving, as long as that continues I don’t see a better option.
Since you’re asking the question, why are you against clubs sticking by their manager rather than pulling the trigger?
It’s a harsh game and I’m not all for sacking managers. I do believe in giving people time but it’s a results business and wouldn’t be surprised if those two don’t last much longer. Can see what Burnley are trying to do and for Sheff Utd Heckingbottom should’ve gone after the 8-0
Also, at the bottom 1 win changes all the perception. Burnley for me has had so many defensive errors. Burnley in the championship last year totally dictated the tempo of the game and now they have to adjust to prem level attackers and their lack of possession. I find it hard to believe that one of the better CBs in prem history can’t improve your defense and help minimize errors.
Luton got promoted mostly due to their stingy defense last season, which bodes much better for early season in the prem.
You are right, but it’s worth pointing out that Burnley conceded the fewest goals last season.
But, to your point, we managed that through domination of possession and control of games rather than hunkering down and weathering the storm (which Luton did much more frequently)
They have played very well in most of these games that they lost. Their naive defending and good game management especially in the last 10 minutes of every game is costing them. If they can sort it out, no going without a break, they could be picking up even one points if not the whole 3 points.
Kompany is still cutting his teeth in management, he done really well changing the whole mentality of Burnley last season bringing fresh ideas in. His team are fidning the step up difficult and come end of the season they will probably still go down. If you trust the process and see things changing then it is worth backing the manager (slightly like forest last season)
Hickinbottom has been at few clubs and is just not a good manager at all.
It’s a resource gap more than it is useless management. Both seem to have a good backing from their respective fanbases which is usually an indication of real expectations.
At Sheffield they lost their best player just before the season and are hit hard by injuries. Not even Klopp or Guardiola could do much with that. Burnley got a record amount of points last year with Kompany, the Premier League might be a size too big for them at the moment, but why sack Kompany? Who will do a better job with this squad?
You realize these same managers got their teams promoted the year prior… unbelievable people actually rush to question these managers and their job security whenever they are experiencing expected struggles. Burnley are likely fine with going back down with Kompany due to the belief that their team will have developed greatly in their season in the prem. They will also be far more financially secure after this stint in the top league so when they do get promoted again they can spend a lot more and really go for it.
None of the promoted teams have gone crazy trying to upgrade their squad to premier league level. Getting relegated isn’t a death sentence as long as they keep their finances reasonable and it seems like all 3 teams have come into this season with very realistic expectations.
If they get relegated they can strengthen even more and look to come back even stronger in 2 years.
Sheffield United supporter here.
So we sack hecky. Then what? Who would want to be our manager that is an upgrade on hecky? Nobody. We don’t have any money and our squad is mid table championship quality.
All we want to see as fans is the players try hard and not get battered every week. Don’t mind losing. We’re expected to lose. Just want to see some effort.