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    The other one says they won’t punch you, but you know they probably will. The other one says he’ll shoot you and your whole family.

    That’s not the situation. One says that he’ll shoot me and my whole family, the other says she’ll shoot me and my whole family with a rainbow painted gun.

    That demented clown was pretty openly saying he’ll turn USA into fascist dictatorship if he’s elected, and now he’s doing it and apparently speedrunning towards ww3 because he didn’t get the nobel peace price or some insane shit.

    Frankly, I think every president since at least Bush has been a fascist dictator. Everything that Trump is able to do now is because of the massive expansion of executive power and the massive curtailing of civil rights that happened after 9/11 with full bipartisan support, and the democratic presidents since then have done nothing to rein in or revoke those powers.

    Meanwhile, economic conditions have gotten worse and worse, leading to a rise in political extremism, which has no outlet except for the right. Maintaining the status quo is suicide, it guarantees that we will continue sliding into fascism.

    The only option is to push for an alternative, no matter how desperate it is. Every political movement starts somewhere.

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        You mean that we could’ve stalled efforts to build a political movement until the situation was even worse.

        The choice to vote Democrat is also a choice not to vote PSL. If it cost nothing, then I would’ve done it, give me ranked choice voting and I will put the Democrats above the Republicans. But I consider it more important to support people who would actually fix the situation if they got power.

        people there are getting murdered

        Who was George Floyd?

        and dragged into concentration camps

        Who built the camps?

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            All things being equal, it is better that they do it openly and that more people are aware of it.

            and you might never get to vote again

            This is nonsense. The US Presidential Election is the most popular reality TV show of all time.

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                Yes. I’m also aware that virtually every country on earth has elections, including undemocratic ones. Our elections have been more about spectacle and entertainment since well before Trump. They’re also a very useful tool. If you asked a person in a vacuum whether they support genocide, or any of the other awful stuff our politicians get up to, they’d say no. But once you introduce team sports into it, once you get everybody to make a choice, now they feel like they have to defend that choice and justify the horrible things their team does. And so at all times, about a third of the population become active advocates for the ruling class, justifying and explaining everything that they do. Because if I criticize the president, I’m also criticizing their decision to vote for that president, and how about I fuck off with that, bub?

                It’s all just fear mongering and performatively demonstrating how much faith you have in electoralism. And it’s stupid because when the elections do happen, you’ll have discredited yourself, looking like the boy who cried wolf. I don’t think there’s any way I’m going to break through this nonsense so we’ll just have to wait a bit until I’m proven right, by which point of course everyone will have moved on to something else and won’t care.

                And the whole thing is especially stupid, because there are literally wolves right there! How about we focus on the tyranny and oppression that’s actually, already happening? On the masked fascist thugs raiding workplaces and dragging people away to secret torture dungeons? Is that not bad enough that you need to conjure up some unlikely, imagined scenario to fret over? I stg.

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                    Greenland, no. But to act like the Democrats aren’t involved in imperialism, plunder, and genocide in other places is absurd. I’m not willing to sacrifice those other countries and people for the sake of Greenland, or for my own sake, or for the sake of my neighbors.

                    In my view, genocide is completely off the table in the range of solutions I’m willing to consider. I’ll oppose the right by whatever means are available to me, but that’s simply not an option.

                    If you want to argue that I have a moral responsibility to aid other countries and ensure their safety and security, maybe to some extent that’s true. But any such positive moral duty certainly does not outweigh my negative moral duty to not actively fuck with other countries, to not be the danger I’m supposed to be preventing. “First, do no harm.” If protecting Finland requires me to support the wanton slaughter of innocent Palestinians, then you’re on your own. If protecting Palestinians meant actively supporting the wanton slaughter of Finns, then I would say the same thing.