cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/45430198
This big bottle of spicy hot ketchup from Spain says it only lasts 1 month in the fridge after opening. Is the label lying?
- If yes, then an asshole designed the label.
- If no, then the ketchup is a crappy design because a family must be large and has to eat burgers, fries, and meatloaf every day to get through 560g.
Ketchup on the US market would be loaded with sugar and preservatives. But Europe and maybe the rest of the world is more inclined to have a higher proportion of pronounceable ingredients and fewer of them.
There is sriracha ketchup in the US which is shelf stable even after opening. Hot spicy foods are often that way, so apparently there is enough sriracha in that ketchup to keep it stable without refrigeration. Yet the cayanne pepper spiked ketchup from Spain is said to struggle to hold up even when refrigerated.
What’s the point? Why do you care? Hence why I said “And?”
Still nothing there about refrigerated ketchup only lasting 1 month. Citation still needed.
They can just as well say “use by” one day later with that logic. It’s still a dick move.
Just like pills that expire in 1 year which actually take 10 years to decay. They want to sell you stuff and obviously marketing works wonders on you.
I don’t care. I just pointed it out, you seem to have taken it personally.
From the article:
Again, companies run lab tests to determine this because they can be held liable for lack of food safety. You should find that ketchup company and ask them to provide the tests that marked the product is unsafe after one month opened.
What’s the point in pointing it out?
Why would you say this? Make sense. You’re wasting people’s time by pointing out random shit without having a point. It’s this time-wasting threadcrap that’s the problem.
But that gives you too much credit. You wanted to try to suggest that I don’t know French from Spanish and where the ketchup comes from. That’s why you “just pointed out” the red herring.
That’s not what happened. By your own admission, they tested at the 1 month mark and quit. Law is not the point of contention. An asshole can be simultaneously legally compliant.
You said something that can’t be proved. I pointed out how it can’t be proved. Why did you say it if we can’t verify it?
You say it’s unimportant, yet you keep fighting over it when you could just have provided proof or simply ignored the comment after the first post. Looks like you want to die on that hill for no reason.
Are you mad because I pointed out that the ketchup couldn’t be determined as Spanish because the label was in French and there wasn’t any way to establish its origin?
If you want to die on that hill, be my guest. But then, let’s go back to it: if you can’t prove the origin of the product, it could be from anywhere. Why not Candian? Why not Chinese and imported to any French speaking country? Laws are very different on each part of the world. We are assuming it’s Spanish and it’s for an European region, but what if it’s not? What if it’s African?
My “admission” AKA the laws, say that if they run tests and find it unsafe after one month, they must write one month. Not more. I don’t work for that ketchup company, I can’t tell you what tests they ran and what they found to deem the ketchup unsafe after one month. That’s something you should ask them if you want to know as you are the one accusing them of asshole design. i just pointed out the law and what it says.
You are treating me as if I had some interests on that company or something mate. I’m just pointing out what the law says. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. But I don’t have to prove you anything. If any, you should ask the company itself for more information to know why they determined that one month is the “use by” date after opened.
It can be proved. I can photograph the whole label and consume more resources if needed. But it’s not needed. There is no point. Your red herring makes no useful point.
No you didn’t. You just pointed out the facts, which were a red herring. You are only just now making the false claim that it’s unprovable.
Why did I say it came from Spain? Because it gives some trivial context into the crappy/asshole design scenario. People might be interested in where a crappy design comes from. But verifiability is unimportant. I don’t give a shit if you cannot verify that it came from Spain. If it came from France, Belgium, or Switzerland, it would not change the asshole/crappy design.
I can prove a lot of facts that make no difference to the underlying thesis. Not worth the time.
Again, pointing out meaningless facts is threadcrap. It doesn’t matter that they are legally compliant. This is not a law community. It’s a crappy design community. Legal compliance is irrelevant in the sense that you convey. They could have legally made ketchup that is labelled to hold up for 3 months, but they chose not to. They chose to do a crappy design.
Well, then why do you keep pushing it? It was a light-hearted comment in my first reply. You just wanted to keep snowballing it pointlessly. Mate, calm down a bit, nobody is trying to hurt you.
That pic couldn’t say if the ketchup was spanish or not. And you never tried to prove it while fighting on that hill for who knows what reason (hence taking it personally).
The burden of proof is on you tho. I, however, never asked for proof of origin. Just made a light-hearted comment.
Laws are different for each part of the world, you are just saying you wanted to hate something and be edgy for it.
You say it’s asshole design, yet, when pointed out that there are reasons for it to be this way, you just refuse them because they burst your bubble. You shouldn’t post on the internet if you are not ready for people to reply back.
Also, it’s relevant because, as I explained to you several times and you keep refusing to understand, it’s about food safety. Refer to my previous posts as to why.
Calm down. It is you who continues pushing for useless proof. I’m pushing back. Whether it came from Spain or France does not affect the thesis.
No proof is needed.
Threadcrap is not a “personal” attack, but it is still annoying.
Sure, but I don’t need to prove the bottle is from Spain any more than I need to prove that ketchup is red. It does not affect my thesis so I have ignored this unnecessary burden.
Nonsense. I’ve already explained why your bullshit is not “light-hearted”. I’m not going to explain it again. Refer to my previous posts as to why.
WRT law, it is not Spanish law that applies. The law of where the product is exported to is what you would need to back your bogus insinuation that the law forces the 1 month limit. You can examine laws of Spain and all French speaking countries in the world; you will not find a place where it is illegal to produce ketchup that holds up for 3 or 6 months.
You have failed to justify the 1 month limit. Show me proof that the law stops them from producing ketchup with a 3+ month expiry – then you will have something interesting.
You shouldn’t post threadcrap on the Internet if you’re not prepared for contempt.
Hand-waving nonsense. Of course it’s about “food safety”, but what about it? You can do food safety like an asshole or you can do it well. Either the ketchup cannot hold up for over 1 month (crappy design), or it can but they were too lazy (asshole design).
The food safety issue is a bogus excuse. If it’s a crappy design, it’s actually the inverse of your position. It’s a food safety issue to sell large quantities that only last 1 month in the fridge. Or in the asshole design scenario (bad label), then it’s a false food safety issue. Either way you have an anti-consumer design.