Destroy Reality. Create a Multiverse.

MULTIVERSE is a PieFed instance for soulists. Our rules are designed to create a safe space for minorities, including those considered unreal by society. We are also an anarchist instance and do not allow tankie propaganda. We aim for transparent and fair moderation in line with the principles of anarcho-antirealism, and to be fertile ground for discussion of soulist ideology. We also aim to be intuitive to use for new fediverse denizens who don’t care how federation works, and are just interested in the politics. Our manifesto can be found at http://soulism.net/.

  • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netOP
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    3 days ago

    Yes. Gravity does not ask one’s consent before pulling. If one has arthritis or chronic fatigue, gravity will hurt them. I believe in building technology to challenge the dominance of this law, such as wheelchairs, fitness programs, and science fiction antigravity machines.

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        19 hours ago

        True, but that doesn’t make gravity all good. It puts gravity on about the same ethical standing as an abusive parent. If we can find a way to improve gravity, we should do it.

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      1 day ago

      Yes. Gravity does not ask one’s consent before pulling.

      Lol you lost me here.

      What about oxygen? We’re enslaved by it. We can’t escape it. What are you guys doing about it?

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          1 day ago

          You technically answered my question, but that verges in strawman territory, man. I was talking about the absurdity of considering gravity a form of human oppression. Can you tell me why I shouldn’t see it as absurd, given that it’s a natural, inescapable law?

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            19 hours ago

            I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I’m glad the Wright brothers didn’t), but there are other “natural, inescapable laws” that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won’t be one of those people.

            For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a “natural, inescapable law”. And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a “natural, inescapable law”, and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.

            I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

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              19 hours ago

              I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

              I can certainly do that.

              I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable

              Well, this is not helping.


              But sorry, absolutely no one can escape gravity. It’s everywhere in the universe. Can you escape Earth’s gravity? Sure. Good luck escaping the solar system’s gravity, or the galaxy’s gravity, or the local cluster’s gravity. So that’s my point. The Wright Brothers “example” is a non-starter.

              Everything else you mentioned are not “natural laws.” They are human/social constructs, which you pointed out and we can agree on.

              But I thought soulism went beyond that. It’s okay. Today I learned something new. Thanks.

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                A more interesting way is to understand that there is a difference between what is and how it affects us. The point isn’t so much to decide whether gravity exists or not but to make sure it doesn’t impose any unfair weight (ha) on some members of the society and not others. When we say “it’s just exists” we’re very close to say “there’s nothing we can do about this” and that justifies unfair situations.

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                16 hours ago

                The belief in an objective reality is the source of all bigotries and nearly all oppressions. It’s the reason for religious genocides, transphobia, capitalism, and zionism. You believe in less reality than the people who do those things. You’re less realist. I want you to go further, be more radical, believe in no reality. I think you haven’t gone far enough yet.

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                  4 hours ago

                  I fundamentally disagree with all you said. You’re essentially saying that we must believe in subjectivities, which is a core principle of all religions even if they don’t say so.

                  By remaining truly objective, I have preserved my capability to be free and to help those surrounding me.

                  Yours is just some other metaphysical philosophy, and the “soul” in soulism, a concept I don’t believe in at all, should have tipped me off.

                  Good luck with everything. Have a nice weekend.

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                    4 hours ago

                    I find it quite sad that you don’t believe chocolate tastes good. I do, and the fact brings Me happiness, despite its subjectivity.

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                19 hours ago

                Well, Donald Hoffman, the cognitive psychologist investigating perception of reality, has asserted that spacetime is a mental construct that simplifies our perception of the world around us so that it requires fewer resources to sustain. Since under Einstein gravity is curvature of spacetime, if true this means gravity is part of our interface too. There is something making people fall down ladders, but it’s not as simple as our mind perceives it to be, even for Einstein. Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked and were thus “escaped”.

                So yeah, gravity is fake. But gravity’s fakeness isn’t that important.

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      2 days ago

      This feels like satire, ngl

      I don’t think Gravity is the hierarchy preventing arthritis patients from getting medical care

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      2 days ago

      Interesting. It sounds like soulism is very similar to anarcho-transhumanism, but with a spiritual component, is that correct?

      • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netOP
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        2 days ago

        Many soulists believe in two different branches of soulist thought: scientific soulism and spiritual soulism. I disagree, I think magic is a science and spirituality can be a technology. But there are soulists who reject spiritual means of changing our perceptions, and there are spiritual soulists who do not use the scientific method. So to answer your question: sometimes.