Wdym it’s not a pen? It was against Wolves! It’s clearly a pen, 2 reds, 2 match ban for the fans, 13 points deduction and a talk to from mom… oh! and maybe a PMGOL apology and a fine for anyone saying anything
That Gary encourages his team to not dive and roll around and he gets punished for it is sad. It’s almost as if the Prem is encouraging teams to just dive constantly to win matches
Ill give you that the first pen isnt a pen, ill give you that Vini shouldve walked, and ill even give you that Ream shouldve been off too; but what in the fuck is this idea that the 2nd one isnt a pen? That trip is given 999999 times out of a million in every other game. Trip in the box, goes down, penalty. The most basic asa bare bones decision a referee will ever make. Now ill accept that the refs angle was poor, but they showed the replay from the dead on angle multiple times, but somehow people are saying its not a pen!??!?!? Insanity.
Look im fully behind this “Wolves are being unfairly done” narrative, but that 2nd one is a penalty every day of the week. If you want to be mad, be mad at the wrong decisions.
The question no longer is, is it a pen or not, its if they is a clear and obvious error.
If the first pen isn’t over ruled, neither should the second one.
What of Newcastle joelintons goal atrocity
Surely Wolves should just be given Everton’s 10 points at this stage
I don’t see why people are calling out VAR for those 2 Fulham pens . The first was harsh, but it was given on field and var has to find something obviously wrong with the call to overrule.
The 2nd was a defending lunging all a player heading away from goal he just didn’t need to stick his foot across the Fulham player in that Position.
That’s just the problem with “clear and obvious”. The commentators mentioned it, and it seems entirely likely based on the refs hesitation, that he awarded the penalty so VAR could sort it out. In real time it looked like it so understandable if he’d lean that way.
The fact that it wasn’t “clear and obvious” it wasn’t a penalty meant they were never gonna overturn it no matter the refs decision. If he didn’t call it, nor would have VAR.
Obviously wrong was the fact the wolves player cleanly got the ball first, no studs showing for a potential dangerous tackle. Even the ref admitted it shouldn’t have been given and he didn’t know why var didn’t send him to monitor.
Carragher bringing the game into disrepute by criticising the officials smh
That’s the thing, he knows he’s such a disagree no one will believe him at this point anyway (the Fox News defence).
On a serous note, he knows this gets clicks and that’s all he cares about. The last think sky cares about is how “right” he is, only how loud he is.
How dare he criticise the Ref, the PGMOL should charge him or something
Broadcast booth ban. Lol
All 3 were pens. I agree the first one is soft, but it’s still a trip from stepping on his foot and is a foul anywhere else on the pitch. He brought the player down and didn’t win the ball, idk how there’s so much debate about it just bc Wolves largely played well and Fulham largely played poorly so the result seems skewed.
It’s a contact sport mate, people get tripped up all the time and it’s not considered a foul.
In this instance he gets a toe to the ball, then slithers his pinky onto Cairney’s toe nail. It’s not a pen. By giving a pen you’re saying that the Wolves player can never challenge for what is a pretty contentious ball, because any follow through will trip up the Fulham player.
Fulham did The same tackle legit 10 seconds before, and it was not a freekick
Did you actually watch the replays. He clearly gets a nick on the ball before making the slightest of contact with the attackers foot, he also is trying to pull out his peg at this point. The attacker caused the contact just as much as the defender. This isn’t a foul anywhere on the pitch and shouldn’t be a foul ever. He wins the ball clean and only makes slight contact with the forward causing him no harm or danger whatsoever.
First one was soft but I can understand VAR not intervening as it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake.
The second one was even softer so I don’t understand why VAR decided to intervene in that one if they didn’t want to intervene in the first one.
If the ref doesn’t give a very soft penalty then why is VAR sending him to the monitor to look at a slow motion replay from one specific angle? It’s like they forgot the “clear and obvious” line after the first penalty or just decided not to apply it in the second instance.
Only 1 penalty for Fulham was legit. Fulham should have had two sending offs. Even the ref has admitted that he should have been sent to screen after the second one.
What pen is that? The one where their player wasn’t touched, or the one preceded by a headbutt to our captain that should have resulted in a red?
Thought Willian pushed the boundaries of not being allowed to stop on both of his run ups for the penalties too - wasn’t sure if anyone else thought the same?
First penalty is never a penalty, Semedo gets the ball first and then the tiniest touch on Cairney. Having seen the replay I immediately thought it’d be overturned and would be absolutely furious if it was given against us.
Second penalty imo is a penalty. The Wolves player gets none of the ball and his knee clips Wilson’s knee. It’s a foul, I can see why the ref didn’t give it as the angle he had doesn’t show the contact however Wilson gets ahead of the Wolves player and gets caught.
However, fouls like that resulting in penalties feels so ridiculously harsh. There was no danger and he was going away from goal. Giving the attacking side a goal scoring opportunity for free is way too big a “reward” for things like that. I wouldn’t be against a change in the rules where penalties are only given if a goalscoring opportunity is denied, otherwise it’s an indirect free kick. Yes it would add a bit more subjectivity into it but it would also stop attacking players going for balls like this (and also the Cairney one) when they know that if they get a touch on the ball and get slightly clipped then odds are it’s a goal. Tiny inconsequential fouls in the penalty area just shouldn’t be a 75/80% chance at a goal.
Vinicius should have been sent off, for the third time this season, for violent conduct. If he never plays for us again it’d be a day too soon.
All in all we got damn lucky.
As much as I like your idea about the penalties, they is so much subjectiveness as it is, it will just lead to more bad calls.
As a neutral, neither Fulham pens looked a pen, if it was given for Arsenal I’d think those are fortunate and lucky calls.
And the second wasn’t given on field, they isn’t clear and obvious error, if the first isn’t over ruled neither should the second.
Lack of consistency within one game is shocking.
The ref isn’t to blame in any of this, it’s all on the stupid VAR.
I wouldn’t be against a change in the rules where penalties are only given if a goalscoring opportunity is denied
Ewww this is horrible.
Don’t add more subjectivity to the game when that’s the issue that we’re already facing.
Players know they cannot jump in inside the box, and if they do they need to be 100% sure they get the ball first.
If you’re trying to make a tackle against a player inside the box who is going nowhere, you’re just an idiot imo.
I don’t support either team just for context.
Does VAR just not like wolves specifically.
Wonder who they will favor on the weekend lol. The two teams hated most by VAR facing off.
Probably a few Villa or West Brom fans in the VAR room
Karmic justice for David Luiz
i honestly wouldnt care if they got rid of VAR tomorrow and just kept the goal line technology
I want the automated offsides they use in the world cup, get rid of the humans drawing lines. Dont introduce human error where it isn’t needed
I’d say keep it for goal line and offside technology and situations where the ref completely missed it and it was out of his sight, or his view was obstructed. Otherwise, stick with the on field decision.
Agreed but only if its the completely automated offside
It definitely should go, technology should only be used for absolutes. Like goal line and automated offsides. Everything else will only ever be someone’s interpretation.
I feel like it’s an inside job sabotaging VAR. Like, maybe pogmol doesn’t like or understand this new fangled technowiz, and just wants it to go away. They’re trying their best to make us hate it!
Being a Wolves fan this season is almost as frustrating as last year’s relegation battle, despite us playing well. I just don’t get it. The most egregious thing imo is Vinicius (however it’s spelled) not being sent off just because Kilman wasn’t a bitch and rolling about the floor. Instead of rewarding Kilman’s good display of captaincy with the right decision, PGMOL basically just told everyone that if you want the rules to be adhered to, you have to milk every single situation. Disgusting.
This is what I have to tell people who make fun of the sport for all the flopping. Sure, it definitely is a problem and I hate when players do it - when I played unless you were seriously hurt you got back up and helped your team (or our coach would sub us out).
But if you don’t milk it, the ref won’t call it and continue playing even if it’s a foul. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Players who actually get up and continue don’t get the calls made against them.
This is a weird one to call out. Kilman was fully bent over him and vinicius just got up (and hit kilman by virtue of him being bent over a player lying on the ground). Should have been a yellow to kilman probably, or at worst yellows for both.
Imagine thinking an adult with a fully functional brain with the coordination of a professional athlete can’t stand up near to someone else without pushing their forhead into the other persons face.
This is such an L take to the point where I’m convinced you’re actually trolling
Some of the decisions against Wolves have been truly baffling this season, from the very first game as well! United should NEVER have won that, you were all over them.
It’s really frustrating
Yhea they should go back and ban him for a few games. We need to reward the player being better.
VAR was meant to correct clear and obvious errors. If you need to draw lines on the pitch and study 30 different images to decide that the players dick is in an off side position this is not a clear and obvious anything. Looking at 30 reviews of a tackle because you can’t make a decision as to whether the defender touched the ball before he touched the player…and then asking the referee to look at a slow motion view does not confirm an error was made in real time. Even the VAR teams get stuff wrong!! VAR will cost a manager his job and Howard Webb and all his cronies will wash their hands of any responsibility.