Left is BOE, right is presumably Samsung
Samsung panel photo taken from here:
My LE Deck OLED has BOE screen which I confirmed through that firmware dump command. I don’t have any dead pixels or any issue with the screen, but I think this difference in su-pixel structure is VERY interesting.
There’s been some complaint about red/green fringes on text, but not everyone seems to see it equally well. I looked at mine, Even looking very closely to the point Im seeing individual pixels and the small gaps between the pixels, I just don’t see it.
If we zoom in and look at the text, this is in desktop mode in Chrome, we can see there is in fact no sub-pixel anti-aliasing, the font is made up of whole pixels.
BTW I think BOE layout is better than Samsung because every pixel is symmetrical and the gaps are evenly distributed. Where as the Samsung has alternating left/right leaning blue pixels, which creates a big gap every two pixels, and this can lead to a slightly more grainy look.
You can also see the slight blurring effect from the anti-glare screen I have on mine. The blur radius is smaller than these sub-pixels, it cannot reduce the sharpness of displayed images, but it can soften the appearance of individual pixels.
You know, a lot of people are hating on this, but I think just being able to see this kind of data is fun. I don’t really have the equipment to analyze this sort of stuff, so being able to see it like this is interesting. I have an OLED, and I have no interest in checking, but I love that there’s people who want to look into this and just have fun doing it.
Keep having fun, and always stay curious! Don’t let the hate here get to you.
Have a good one!
Plus, yoh wouldn’t be holding the steam deck in your hand without people like OP just poking around hardware for fun.
Yes!!! This is so cool!!@
This is a big deal on VR headsets. Subpixel arrangement makes a big difference on perceivable quality. With the Meta Quest 3, they tilted the display and how the aliasing works had to change on the displays. It’s pretty fascinating to me.
It certainly beats “just got my deck” (picture of someone holding a deck) posts.
“Heres the millionth example posted today alone that shows the difference between LCD and OLED in case you guys forgot from the last 10 posted within this minute alone”.
For real though, this post is informative and interesting and I don’t even have an OLED deck.
As someone who’s into retro gaming, I agree. I was recently messing with the shadow mask maker on my N64Digital and what you’re making is essentially the same thing. It’s fun trying out different phosphor layouts, which are basically the “subpixels” of a CRT. I don’t know if the new RetroTink will have shadow/aperture customization, I assume so, but I’m definitely messing with that on the Morph when I get mine
Thanks for this post. I bought an LE and 512 and thought I was going crazy when I couldn’t see much of a difference after all the drama over Etched vs Gloss. The LE looks just as clear, and definitely has a different color response (Reds and Yellows are clearly different on mine, favoring the LE I think).
hey /u/HardwareUnboxed, can you investigate this on Monitors Unboxed please?
And here I was thinking the BOE panel was worse, too bad I have a dead blue subpixel :(
imagine giving zero fucks about the display and just play games.
Call me crazy but the blue sub pixel on the BOE panel looks larger than the red and green sub pixels. This should be good for longevity since you won’t have to drive the blue as hard, and blue sub pixels seem to be the most likely to burn out or limit the useful life of a panel.
Driving them less hard/bright = longer lifetimes
Yeah, that’s how it works. Everywhere
This new game you all oled owners are currently playing looks kinda meh tbh
lol I’ve probably spent more time on this game, than any Steam game so far.
hardware is more fun than software games.
Reminds me of TN vs IPS 3DSs
Wait do some 3DSs use IPS panels? I swear mine has TN.
Yes. And the holy grail is IPS top and bottom. More common is IPS top only.
Can you just buy new ips panels for them and swap them in?
My N3DS XL happens to be that. Now I just need to capture mod it at some point and it’ll be the ULTIMATE 3DS lol
Brick breaker is making a come back
you didnt buy the dlc I’m assuming?
Terrifying game makes me happy I honestly went for the lcd Oled seems to have a lot of problems
This post isnt even talking about a problem, its talking about a difference.
Seriously what in the hell. 🤣 This has gone too far.
These Arkanoid community level packs get weirder every year.
You guys are neurotic 😂
lol I sort of think enthusiasts in this particular hobby are bound to be neurotic…haha I spend as much time getting picture, sound, etc etc just perfect on my main rig as I do playing sometimes, but I love it :D
Eh, I don’t know if I’d go that far (uh, for me anyway, cant speak to others). The color fringing was the first thing I noticed when I got the “You got one of the first OLED” firmware update screen. But I’ll also admit notice and am bothered by those sorts of things than a lot of people (same with frame tearing, absolutely cant stand it).
That being said, that firmware update screen was one of the only times I’ve seen pure white text on a pure black background. Almost any other situation in SteamOS, or in the majority of games I’ve tried out, its not straight white on black, so I legit have not noticed it since.
But its definitely there.
Not really, I immediately saw these downside to the Samsung panel without even reading anything here. They are blatantly obvious, including the green tint and grain.
The blacks look good though, I guess.
I totally get the sentiment but I’ve just been enjoying all the info. I’m just interested in how stuff works.
I really love this
Seriously. I have an OLED coming later this week. Should I cancel my order if I’m going to start obsessing over pixel structure and the type of panel in my Deck? It seems to be a side effect of getting one
I just got my limited edition this week. This is my first deck and I have no idea what a pixel or a glossy or matte is. Can confirm I am having fun with my new toy.
Don’t fall into this. This is why posts like these are so annoying, lmao. You won’t notice nor care about any of these differences unless you end up with a BOE panel with a dead pixels and are examining the damn panels. Only the difference between LCD and OLED matters, and there’s a big one there.
I think you might be barking up the wrong tree if you don’t understand why this is interesting information for people, also it reduces consistency which is also a surprising change from the other Steam Decks.
Tech enthusiasts are all very curious about this stuff, and we like when this stuff comes around.
Also, some people *do* notice these things with sensitive eyes, and are unable to formulate into words what they’re seeing.
The girl part was unnecessary as the average redditor is a 12 year old boy.
First thing to do is to check the manufacturer of your screen, and RMA if it’s not the one you want!
No mate , these posts are bizarre honestly
What if you’re not stressing about any of this but just enjoy knowing how tech stuff works?
I have only been checking on this sub every once in a while since the OLED was first announced. I feel like I’m watching a descent into madness.
At this point this sub look like an endless paraonia… Do people even play with it… I bet not.
Me, an LCD owner, watching this subreddit freak out over pixels the past few days.
i mean, yeah im popcorn eating too but the comments and back and forth on this type of data and investigations is quite interesting. i like learning.
We’re really not freaking out
Do you guys have anything better to do than to worry about pixel structure?
This is really fascinating! Reminds me of camera sensors (traditional Bayer sensor pattern vs Fujifilm’s proprietary X-Trans sensor).
That’s pretty cool to look at. So size-wise Samsung has a higher blue bias an a low green bias, whereas BOE has a fairly similar red/geren with some bias towards blue.
Human vision is more sensitive to green, so they probably calculated they needed a less bright/smaller area green subpixel to convey a similar performance to the other subpixels.
Imagine actually playing the handheld you buy instead of picking it apart. This sub is becoming insufferable
If you find this insufferable, I would kindly suggest you try to focus on the gaming posts in this sub. There are quite a few recommending games from the sale, games that look great on OLED, etc. some of us do also like to dive into the tech specs, but you don’t need to spend your time in threads that don’t bring you happiness.
Bruh I get a steamdeck oled because oled and everyone’s going through the hoops in this sub like it’s fucking 2016 when oled and HDR effected gaming.
like it’s fucking 2016 when oled and HDR effected gaming
They do affect gaming, what?
Y’all are doing all this for a 800p screen.
