Shunting or excluding is a fairly sanitizing term. If you want to exclude/eliminate people from a society they depend on to survive. Simply based on who they are. Even if you ignorantly never think about that or the logistics of it. Just wanting them gone. It’s effectively genocide all the same.
Bigotry is having prejudiced thoughts against a group as an individual. Genocide is when you act on those thoughts as a society.
It’s broad. But not to the point of meaninglessness. To the point of inclusiveness. And that’s meaningful.
I’m definitely coming at this from a more Anarchist/libertarian mindset so others not quite understanding is completely understandable. But ask yourself this. How did all the things we commonly accept as genocides, Nazi Germany’s treatment of the Jews, Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. How did it start?
What made them genocides. Was it the speed, was it the brutality? Or was it simply that these groups were targeted to be excluded and eliminated from society? How slowly must one strangle a culture or group for it to be acceptable? Germany did theirs in only a few years. Israel has been at theirs for decades. So does that make Israel’s acceptable? Because they’re going slower with it overall. Granted they’ve greatly increased their Pace in the last couple years. But the genocide didn’t even start in this last decade. It was always a genocide.
I’d say we agree more than we disagree. But that we should probably agree to disagree on this point. The legal definition, which is what people are largely going to go by. Only lists specific categories. Fair enough. I’m going to stick by the categories not being absolute. That the targeting of people just for who they are, for persecution and elimination is the important part. Whether or not they’re in one of the predefined categories, doesn’t change that for me. And that does not dilute downplay or minimize what genocide is. Because genocide isn’t the categories listed there, it’s the actions that have historically taken against those categories in the past.
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Shunting or excluding is a fairly sanitizing term. If you want to exclude/eliminate people from a society they depend on to survive. Simply based on who they are. Even if you ignorantly never think about that or the logistics of it. Just wanting them gone. It’s effectively genocide all the same.
Bigotry is having prejudiced thoughts against a group as an individual. Genocide is when you act on those thoughts as a society.
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It’s broad. But not to the point of meaninglessness. To the point of inclusiveness. And that’s meaningful.
I’m definitely coming at this from a more Anarchist/libertarian mindset so others not quite understanding is completely understandable. But ask yourself this. How did all the things we commonly accept as genocides, Nazi Germany’s treatment of the Jews, Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. How did it start?
What made them genocides. Was it the speed, was it the brutality? Or was it simply that these groups were targeted to be excluded and eliminated from society? How slowly must one strangle a culture or group for it to be acceptable? Germany did theirs in only a few years. Israel has been at theirs for decades. So does that make Israel’s acceptable? Because they’re going slower with it overall. Granted they’ve greatly increased their Pace in the last couple years. But the genocide didn’t even start in this last decade. It was always a genocide.
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I’d say we agree more than we disagree. But that we should probably agree to disagree on this point. The legal definition, which is what people are largely going to go by. Only lists specific categories. Fair enough. I’m going to stick by the categories not being absolute. That the targeting of people just for who they are, for persecution and elimination is the important part. Whether or not they’re in one of the predefined categories, doesn’t change that for me. And that does not dilute downplay or minimize what genocide is. Because genocide isn’t the categories listed there, it’s the actions that have historically taken against those categories in the past.