Yeah, what is anyone supposed to do with Somerton besides calling him out? Ask him politely to please don’t plagiarise and scam people anymore?
Half of Hbomberguy’s video is about Somerton having been accused of plagiarism for a long time and Somerton just kept doing it. Beside the fact that the very first anecdote about Somerton in the video is about him sending his fans after someone who dared to point out plagiarism, accusing them of doxxing him and sending him threats without any hint of that ever happening.
Somerton had no qualms to resort to harassment if it suited him.
Dog knows social media is a toxic hellhole which thrives on malice and there will always be enough toxic people out there to harass people for whatever reason they can find (and often flimsy pretext), but to insist that the existence of these people precludes exposing wrong-doing, ultimately means that nobody can ever warn anybody else of scammers and grifters like James Somerton.
Honestly, I feel like this concept is what underpins a lot of why society doesn’t change. Sometimes you get more stink-eye from people rocking the boat trying to bail it out than you do from putting a literal hole on the floor and sitting on the bucket.
We need to be brave enough to save the things we value.
i mean. what is the right way to deal with a dude whose entire career is literally built on flagrant stealing, plagiarism, and copyright infringement but whose circumstances make it so that it’s nearly impossible to bring him to a court of law and, even if you did, whose finances and job make it exceedingly unlikely he will ever be able to financially remedy the damages he’s done to said people?
Yeah I’m with you, I don’t think there was a better way to do this (and it needed to be done). I don’t think Hbomberguy did anything wrong. But the whole episode has just left me (personally) feeling bad and I don’t love how much joy some folks seem to be getting watching somebody get taken apart. Not accusing anybody in this thread of that, I’ve just seen it in other places.
I’m not sure that I agree that we should dehumanize people just because the do something wrong or commit a crime. I think all sorts of people deserve sympathy, even those that have done wrong. I’m not saying at all that Somerton shouldn’t have to face the consequences of his actions or that what is happening to him is worse than what he did to others, but I don’t think that justice and empathy are mutually exclusive.
how much joy some folks seem to be getting watching somebody get taken apart
Generally I would agree. In this specific case the video goes into painful detail into exactly how much the guy’s screwed over other people. For profit.
“I don’t know, I’ve no bloody sympathy at all.” As long as people don’t overstep other boundaries (threats or whatever - edit: the ones he made up obviously don’t count) he deserves every last crumb of vitrol headed his way. Pathetic, scamming, ineptly plagiarizing, opportunistic freaking scumbag that he is.
I’m with you. Hbomberguy said it so many times, you don’t accidentally steal someone else’s work, and especially not as prolifically as Somerton did. If Somerton wasn’t prepared for the consequences of his actions, he shouldn’t have stolen literally all his content. And that’s not to say that anyone should condone harassment for any reason, but calling someone out on their bullshit isn’t harassment.
I think the better ways of resolving it were impossible without more involvement from the platform itself. Because it seems that this is just the last of the plagiarism accusations, and just so happened to stick more than the other accusations. It’s very likely that had a prominent YouTuber not made a take down video, nobody would have known that this guy and others were plagiarizing anything. And I mean, imagine how the people whom work was stolen for profit are feeling?
I believe that you don’t realize that you are saying that. But you accidentally are. The individual in question targeted and attacked people, smaller creators, that correctly called him out in the past. He abused his weight to hurt people with full knowledge of what he was doing. He plagiarized dozens of people. He scammed thousands of people. He lied to hundreds of thousands of people.
And you’re saying he got bullied by Harris. You are (likely unintentionally) implying that many of his victims individual feelings of betrayal are somehow not their own and less valid than the scammers’ stated feelings.
I get ya. I don’t think there is a real way to feel satisfaction when someone trangresses like this. A sense of justice, one day, perhaps.
That last video was indeed sad, it was good for nobody. I don’t envy Mr. Somerton. He, unfortunately, continues to make bad choices, which he puts in full view of the global public. I hope he gets the help he needs. His feelings are valid, and he may need help understanding and processing what he’s done and how it’s impacted his life. It’s probably going to leave an acute trauma, which I don’t wish on anyone. It may take years to recover. I also understand that his own feelings don’t justify his past miadeeds.
I don’t envy his victims either. Those who’s work, ideas he plagiarized. Those he scammed. Those he lied to. Their feelings are equally valid. And their voices are numerous. We mustn’t try to silence them just because they are numerous.
We’ll see what comes from Harris’ fund. Maybe that will finally produce a modicum of justice.
Longer term, I hope Mr. Somerton’s story can be educational, and make it a bit harder for someone like him to hurt people next time someone tries.
I can sympathize. I’m not sure I agree with you that Hbomb did anything wrong, but I did leave that video feeling pretty shitty in general. With the Tommy Tallarico thing it was so absurd and Tallarico is such a huge figure that it was just kind of funny, but this last video felt like watching somebody’s life being dismantled. It needed to be done, because Somerton was hurting folks and being dishonest. And I’m not sure that somebody with less clout than Hbomberguy could have done it. There were several examples of smaller creators calling Somerton out with little to no effect other than getting backlash from Somerton’s fans. But honestly the whole thing just kind of made me feel sad, I didn’t get much satisfaction out of it.
While HBomberGuy always starts off his videos as “don’t attack this person.” Realistically his fans always seem to show up and bash on the person he’s exposing or attacking.
This is a problem with internet culture in general, tbh. If anything, hbomb is one of the good guys out there that is pretty careful about how he talks about these things.
He’s kind of being a bully.
Nah. What I noticed about hbomb is that he generally avoids talking about people’s appearances, and avoids judging folks for who they are as people. He also tries to give people the benefit of the doubt (including the writer for Somerton’s channel, which… idk, not sure how the writer could have not noticed all the plagerism but whatever).
Basically, Hbomberguy focused on this guys actions and words. It didn’t feel like bullying at all. It would be different if this was a small creator and/or if this dude was doing it for free. But, that’s not the case; Somerton was making money plagiarizing other people’s work and got lots of subscribers for it.
Somertons channel was about queer issues. I’m sure he’s at least somewhat prepared for online harassment or he wouldn’t have chosen to be a content “creator” on that topic. Doing shitty things on the internet draws heat, too, and it feels somewhat earned this time. Wish people were nicer online overall but hbomb did nothing wrong calling this guy out.
TL;DR, talking about someone else’s bad (and public) behavior isn’t bullying, as long as you’re not picking on some lil guy.
FWIW I don’t disagree with you, especially on the second paragraph. The direction of punching feels unavoidably lopsided.
But… Somerton and his fans had harassed and silenced others when called out for this type of behavior before. The only real difference here is that HBomb is big enough that isn’t feasible to whine and shout the criticism away. Plus all the evidence!
What would you have expected as an alternative? What other way could the plagiarism have been addressed? It had been brought up in multiple other instances over the last year and James brushed it off saying it was not true and led harassment campaigns against those that questioned if he had stolen others work.
Frankly, I do not believe James’ woe is me bit is anything other than an act and emotional manipulation of his audience. He still has thousands of subscribers on Patreon and it is to his personal benefit to keep them as in the dark as possible or to believe that he is still deserving of their money and attention. If he does have mental health issues stemming from this, then he should have just deleted all his accounts, accepted responsibility from his actions, and moved on to something else and work on his mental health.
James also did not only have 300 subscribers. He had almost 3,500 on Patreon. He was raking in tens of thousands of dollars per month using stolen work.
I guess I’m just cynical because the way he “apologized” and came back was called like play for play for how to do a fake YouTube apology/comeback. I just find it so hard to feel sympathy for the man or believe anything he says with what he’s done (not accused cause there were screenshots in that video) outside of just being a huge YouTube grifter.
I mean, I think he’s done that. He’s deactivated his Patreon, deleted his YouTube channel, and said that he’ll comment more when his mental health is better. Maybe I am a soft-hearted fool but it sounds like he’s done just that.
that’s being fairly charitable to him, i think–he reactivated his patreon when he dropped the now deleted “i’m sorry” video and based on that and the content of his video it seems like he was planning a monetized comeback (to ostensibly pay into Hbomb’s financial damage fund) before overwhelming backlash made him scurry back into the shadows and close it again
Okay, sure. Forgiveness is important. But, like, first let’s get the situation remedied. Step 1 isn’t let’s immediately forgive them without saying anything. Step 1 is holy shit look at all this blatant plagiarism going on, let’s make sure people know this is happening so that the original creators can avoid having their work stolen.
Like, yeah, this guy and all the other plagiarists are people. So are all the people they’re stealing from. Getting the word out and not dwelling on what they did forever aren’t mutually exclusive.
You can set a boundary and forgive someone without letting go of that boundary.
“330 subs”. You talk as though 330,000 subscribers is a small number. To your other points, I figure most of the anger towards somerton is going to come from his own community and not people from hbomberguys community. (In fact IIRC Somerton was getting a lot of backlash on his pateron on day 1 of this story breaking). Perhaps Somerton shouldnt have plagarised and lied to people? Maybe?
Somerton followed rule 1, HBomberGuy also followed rule 2 and… hopefully didn’t lie?
As for the content warning section, the simple rule is: don’t base your world on lies upon lies, and it won’t come crashing down when someone exposes them.
Other people already gave you on why it’s not hbomberguy’s fault and I don’t have anything to add to that.
But I think maybe it would help you figure out, what you are sad about or what you feel bad for? And maybe this hasn’t anything to do with hbomberguy? What I mean is, maybe you are seeing Somerton, his mental health problems, his situation and feeling bad for him. And I get it, I feel bad for his situation, too. But being raised by narcissists and having been in a long term relationship with an abusive chronic liar, I know that feeling bad for someone like this won’t help neither you, the other person or anyone they’ve harmed. It only gives them more fuel to keep on continuing like they’ve done before. I don’t know how to deal best with people like this apart from setting boundaries and keeping my distance. If you’re only forgiving without setting boundaries, they will abuse and exploit you. James Somerton was already a mess before he was called out, now he has to face the consequences for his harmful actions and it is hard on everybody. But better to call him out and make him stop his abuse than keep going. You can have empathy with perpetrators but it doesn’t help with making them stop.
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This is the most radical centrist take I’ve heard yet. The idea that exposing immoral acts is worse than the acts.
Yeah, what is anyone supposed to do with Somerton besides calling him out? Ask him politely to please don’t plagiarise and scam people anymore?
Half of Hbomberguy’s video is about Somerton having been accused of plagiarism for a long time and Somerton just kept doing it. Beside the fact that the very first anecdote about Somerton in the video is about him sending his fans after someone who dared to point out plagiarism, accusing them of doxxing him and sending him threats without any hint of that ever happening.
Somerton had no qualms to resort to harassment if it suited him.
Dog knows social media is a toxic hellhole which thrives on malice and there will always be enough toxic people out there to harass people for whatever reason they can find (and often flimsy pretext), but to insist that the existence of these people precludes exposing wrong-doing, ultimately means that nobody can ever warn anybody else of scammers and grifters like James Somerton.
Honestly, I feel like this concept is what underpins a lot of why society doesn’t change. Sometimes you get more stink-eye from people rocking the boat trying to bail it out than you do from putting a literal hole on the floor and sitting on the bucket.
We need to be brave enough to save the things we value.
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i mean. what is the right way to deal with a dude whose entire career is literally built on flagrant stealing, plagiarism, and copyright infringement but whose circumstances make it so that it’s nearly impossible to bring him to a court of law and, even if you did, whose finances and job make it exceedingly unlikely he will ever be able to financially remedy the damages he’s done to said people?
Yeah I’m with you, I don’t think there was a better way to do this (and it needed to be done). I don’t think Hbomberguy did anything wrong. But the whole episode has just left me (personally) feeling bad and I don’t love how much joy some folks seem to be getting watching somebody get taken apart. Not accusing anybody in this thread of that, I’ve just seen it in other places.
It’s a thief getting their illicit empire taken apart. No sympathy warranted.
It’s one thing to steal from the big megacorps. They deserve it because they steal, lie and cheat everyone.
It’s a different thing entirely to cheat and steal from independent journalists like James Sommerton did.
I’m not sure that I agree that we should dehumanize people just because the do something wrong or commit a crime. I think all sorts of people deserve sympathy, even those that have done wrong. I’m not saying at all that Somerton shouldn’t have to face the consequences of his actions or that what is happening to him is worse than what he did to others, but I don’t think that justice and empathy are mutually exclusive.
It’s not dehumanizing to say he’s a thief.
The entire situation he is in is entirely of his own doing and his own control. he has exclusive agency in all of this.
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Generally I would agree. In this specific case the video goes into painful detail into exactly how much the guy’s screwed over other people. For profit.
“I don’t know, I’ve no bloody sympathy at all.” As long as people don’t overstep other boundaries (threats or whatever - edit: the ones he made up obviously don’t count) he deserves every last crumb of vitrol headed his way. Pathetic, scamming, ineptly plagiarizing, opportunistic freaking scumbag that he is.
I’m with you. Hbomberguy said it so many times, you don’t accidentally steal someone else’s work, and especially not as prolifically as Somerton did. If Somerton wasn’t prepared for the consequences of his actions, he shouldn’t have stolen literally all his content. And that’s not to say that anyone should condone harassment for any reason, but calling someone out on their bullshit isn’t harassment.
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I think the better ways of resolving it were impossible without more involvement from the platform itself. Because it seems that this is just the last of the plagiarism accusations, and just so happened to stick more than the other accusations. It’s very likely that had a prominent YouTuber not made a take down video, nobody would have known that this guy and others were plagiarizing anything. And I mean, imagine how the people whom work was stolen for profit are feeling?
I believe that you don’t realize that you are saying that. But you accidentally are. The individual in question targeted and attacked people, smaller creators, that correctly called him out in the past. He abused his weight to hurt people with full knowledge of what he was doing. He plagiarized dozens of people. He scammed thousands of people. He lied to hundreds of thousands of people.
And you’re saying he got bullied by Harris. You are (likely unintentionally) implying that many of his victims individual feelings of betrayal are somehow not their own and less valid than the scammers’ stated feelings.
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I get ya. I don’t think there is a real way to feel satisfaction when someone trangresses like this. A sense of justice, one day, perhaps.
That last video was indeed sad, it was good for nobody. I don’t envy Mr. Somerton. He, unfortunately, continues to make bad choices, which he puts in full view of the global public. I hope he gets the help he needs. His feelings are valid, and he may need help understanding and processing what he’s done and how it’s impacted his life. It’s probably going to leave an acute trauma, which I don’t wish on anyone. It may take years to recover. I also understand that his own feelings don’t justify his past miadeeds.
I don’t envy his victims either. Those who’s work, ideas he plagiarized. Those he scammed. Those he lied to. Their feelings are equally valid. And their voices are numerous. We mustn’t try to silence them just because they are numerous.
We’ll see what comes from Harris’ fund. Maybe that will finally produce a modicum of justice.
Longer term, I hope Mr. Somerton’s story can be educational, and make it a bit harder for someone like him to hurt people next time someone tries.
And, perhaps separate from my other reply. I’d suggest editing to strike out the accusations of bullying. It’s quite an unfair accusation.
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I can sympathize. I’m not sure I agree with you that Hbomb did anything wrong, but I did leave that video feeling pretty shitty in general. With the Tommy Tallarico thing it was so absurd and Tallarico is such a huge figure that it was just kind of funny, but this last video felt like watching somebody’s life being dismantled. It needed to be done, because Somerton was hurting folks and being dishonest. And I’m not sure that somebody with less clout than Hbomberguy could have done it. There were several examples of smaller creators calling Somerton out with little to no effect other than getting backlash from Somerton’s fans. But honestly the whole thing just kind of made me feel sad, I didn’t get much satisfaction out of it.
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This is a problem with internet culture in general, tbh. If anything, hbomb is one of the good guys out there that is pretty careful about how he talks about these things.
Nah. What I noticed about hbomb is that he generally avoids talking about people’s appearances, and avoids judging folks for who they are as people. He also tries to give people the benefit of the doubt (including the writer for Somerton’s channel, which… idk, not sure how the writer could have not noticed all the plagerism but whatever).
Basically, Hbomberguy focused on this guys actions and words. It didn’t feel like bullying at all. It would be different if this was a small creator and/or if this dude was doing it for free. But, that’s not the case; Somerton was making money plagiarizing other people’s work and got lots of subscribers for it.
Somertons channel was about queer issues. I’m sure he’s at least somewhat prepared for online harassment or he wouldn’t have chosen to be a content “creator” on that topic. Doing shitty things on the internet draws heat, too, and it feels somewhat earned this time. Wish people were nicer online overall but hbomb did nothing wrong calling this guy out.
TL;DR, talking about someone else’s bad (and public) behavior isn’t bullying, as long as you’re not picking on some lil guy.
FWIW I don’t disagree with you, especially on the second paragraph. The direction of punching feels unavoidably lopsided.
But… Somerton and his fans had harassed and silenced others when called out for this type of behavior before. The only real difference here is that HBomb is big enough that isn’t feasible to whine and shout the criticism away. Plus all the evidence!
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What would you have expected as an alternative? What other way could the plagiarism have been addressed? It had been brought up in multiple other instances over the last year and James brushed it off saying it was not true and led harassment campaigns against those that questioned if he had stolen others work.
Frankly, I do not believe James’ woe is me bit is anything other than an act and emotional manipulation of his audience. He still has thousands of subscribers on Patreon and it is to his personal benefit to keep them as in the dark as possible or to believe that he is still deserving of their money and attention. If he does have mental health issues stemming from this, then he should have just deleted all his accounts, accepted responsibility from his actions, and moved on to something else and work on his mental health.
James also did not only have 300 subscribers. He had almost 3,500 on Patreon. He was raking in tens of thousands of dollars per month using stolen work.
https://graphtreon.com/creator/jamessomerton
I guess I’m just cynical because the way he “apologized” and came back was called like play for play for how to do a fake YouTube apology/comeback. I just find it so hard to feel sympathy for the man or believe anything he says with what he’s done (not accused cause there were screenshots in that video) outside of just being a huge YouTube grifter.
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that’s being fairly charitable to him, i think–he reactivated his patreon when he dropped the now deleted “i’m sorry” video and based on that and the content of his video it seems like he was planning a monetized comeback (to ostensibly pay into Hbomb’s financial damage fund) before overwhelming backlash made him scurry back into the shadows and close it again
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Okay, sure. Forgiveness is important. But, like, first let’s get the situation remedied. Step 1 isn’t let’s immediately forgive them without saying anything. Step 1 is holy shit look at all this blatant plagiarism going on, let’s make sure people know this is happening so that the original creators can avoid having their work stolen.
Like, yeah, this guy and all the other plagiarists are people. So are all the people they’re stealing from. Getting the word out and not dwelling on what they did forever aren’t mutually exclusive.
You can set a boundary and forgive someone without letting go of that boundary.
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“330 subs”. You talk as though 330,000 subscribers is a small number. To your other points, I figure most of the anger towards somerton is going to come from his own community and not people from hbomberguys community. (In fact IIRC Somerton was getting a lot of backlash on his pateron on day 1 of this story breaking). Perhaps Somerton shouldnt have plagarised and lied to people? Maybe?
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Somerton followed rule 1, HBomberGuy also followed rule 2 and… hopefully didn’t lie?
As for the content warning section, the simple rule is: don’t base your world on lies upon lies, and it won’t come crashing down when someone exposes them.
Other people already gave you on why it’s not hbomberguy’s fault and I don’t have anything to add to that.
But I think maybe it would help you figure out, what you are sad about or what you feel bad for? And maybe this hasn’t anything to do with hbomberguy? What I mean is, maybe you are seeing Somerton, his mental health problems, his situation and feeling bad for him. And I get it, I feel bad for his situation, too. But being raised by narcissists and having been in a long term relationship with an abusive chronic liar, I know that feeling bad for someone like this won’t help neither you, the other person or anyone they’ve harmed. It only gives them more fuel to keep on continuing like they’ve done before. I don’t know how to deal best with people like this apart from setting boundaries and keeping my distance. If you’re only forgiving without setting boundaries, they will abuse and exploit you. James Somerton was already a mess before he was called out, now he has to face the consequences for his harmful actions and it is hard on everybody. But better to call him out and make him stop his abuse than keep going. You can have empathy with perpetrators but it doesn’t help with making them stop.
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mmm, let’s not do this