Somebody took the insulting route with me in a recent thread where I casually mentioned something about blocking users. But the types of comments being pointed out here … those are users who will never contribute anything positive to my life or online experience, almost guaranteed. So, while it’s entertaining to come here and interact with people who find that sort of content entertaining (in a twisted dark comedy sort of way I suppose), I’m glad that I don’t really ever see that sort of shit much anymore on a regular basis while I peruse Lemmy.
I want to slap a [citation needed] on so many of these things. They’re just saying nonsense as fact with no explanation. I want to dispute it but it takes so much more energy to disprove a bad faith claim than it does to create one.
Reality is that Biden was the most liberal US president ever. You really can’t blame him, he was about as liberal as would be allowed for a US president at the time. Yes, he was bad for Palestine but when the top democrat schumer is a rabid zionist dog, supporting israel only half-heartedly was really the best Biden could get away with.
(Was he still center-right compared to like UK or Germany? Yes, of course. But still more liberal than Obama, who was more liberal than Bill Clinton. Clinton was pretty much a staunch conservative, slashing welfare spending and corporate taxes+regulation. Clinton only appeared liberal while campaigning in poor urban centers. He could also be given some credit for “dont ask dont tell” which was marginally better than the previous policy of seeking out LGBTQ+ military members and discharging them dishonorably.
Maybe Carter was most liberal actually but he was also somewhat ineffective or at least unpersuasive to get liberal policies into effect. Nixon was also one of the most liberal US presidents in terms of overseeing the creation of the EPA and improving relations with communist China, but otherwise he was pretty conservative.)
Ill wear my ban from that stinkhole with pride from now on.
Suckers and losers indeed.
Claiming right in the first comment that Biden was worse than Trump is quite enough for me, I think I’ll skip the rest (also because the resolution of the screenshots is really bad, I guess it’s too wide so it got squished?).
Ah, fuck me. I apologize for my editing incompetence. DX
Maybe it’s alright on your computer but got compressed when uploaded.
Also: Next time WebP instead of JPEG for better quality at lower file size
The rachet meme is funny becuse by discouraging people from voting they are also being a rachet that holds back change and needed relief.
No, no, I’m sure this time, handing over all the power to Republicans will improve our revolutionary standing, especially considering their stance on intensive propaganda, suppression of organizing and information, and the mass defunding of public schools inherent to their platform.
I mean, after all, wasn’t it Marx who said, “I love the poorly educated!”?
It worked so well for the communists in 1930’s Germany!
Sure, except Biden was a piece of shit neoliberal that threw us back to the republicans. Don’t pretend like this shit show on the democratic side is anything but controlled opposition.
That said, the tankies have the opinion that only revolution will suffice. Try to politik in the US? Fuck you die, they say. Like fuck all the way off from your workers paradises of Russia and China. The latter working 12-6’s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for starvation wages, with unions outlawed. Gtfo. These people are cunts.
Sure, except Biden was a piece of shit neoliberal that threw us back to the republicans.
Sure, but he’s not “one of the most right-wing politicians in US History”
He’s not even the most right-wing Democrat president in the past 30 years.
Don’t pretend like this shit show on the democratic side is anything but controlled opposition.
Controlled opposition is very different than kind of fuckery we see from the Dems. The Dems are a mixture of ideological neoliberals, shithead opportunists, and sane people. The thing is, even most (though not all) of the shithead opportunists are in it for the power; the money is just a nice bonus. They’ll sell out our lives for money, but not their own power, generally. Very few of them, even the shithead opportunists and most of the neolibs, would take the tack they did if they thought there was a serious chance of them losing an election because of it.
The reason they continue as they do is not because they’re being puppeteered by corporations, but because not enough fucking people give enough of a shit to bother voting them out. And you can argue that that’s because the US electorate is puppeteered by corporations, but then we’re dealing with a very different issue than a few thousand party apparatchiks. They’re complacent and complicit, but not wedded to this state of affairs - the reason this shitshow continues is because there is no available alternative CONSENSUS amongst the non-Republican ELECTORATE.
That’s a much more daunting task than dealing with a metaphorical handful of fuckwits, so most people prefer the fiction of a Dem party controlled in smoky rooms by cigar-puffing oligarchs in suits. Those oligarchs have outsized power compared to their actual numbers, but the core of the issue is that sanity doesn’t even have a majority inside the party electorate, much less a majority in the general electorate.
That said, the tankies have the opinion that only revolution will suffice. Try to politik in the US? Fuck you die, they say. Like fuck all the way off from your workers paradises of Russia and China. The latter working 12-6’s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for starvation wages, with unions outlawed. Gtfo. These people are cunts.
Hell, man, I don’t even know that I disagree with them that revolution is needed to break at least the US out of this rut - though I certainly fucking hope it isn’t, as I am terrified of both the bloodshed that could entail, and the uncertainty of outcome that involves (anyone who thinks “It can’t get worse than this” lacks imagination - or awareness of current events outside of their comfortable suburban basement). But I do know three things that put me in opposition to tankie anti-electoralism:
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Making things worse helps no one. In addition to that moral concern, giving more power to fascists makes educating and organizing harder, thus making the eventual goal of revolution harder. In that vein, harm reduction, when sufficiently strong differences are presented (ie Republicans-as-a-fascist-party and Dems-as-a-spineless-neolib-party) is not optional, on both moral and practical grounds.
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Most people in the USA are not as far left as tankies, and even many non-tankie leftists, think. Which means our options are extremely limited for “Push through a socialist utopia platform”, even if we had an institutionally-clean-slate and no Citizens United to deal with in making a brand new “Near-50% Of The Electorate Party”.
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Electoral politics affects national political discourse and the Overton Window. You (generic you, I figure you aren’t a tankie, I’m just talking in the abstract here in general) think the Dems are never gonna move the Overton Window left? Fine, that’s not necessarily wrong. But I promise that the GOP continually moving it right (or rather, the failure of the milquetoast Dems to even slow that rightward movement) is not going to make people more receptive to ideas that they find abnormal. And, of course, that such lovely paradises as “North Korea” and “Thousands of years of brutal feudal-and-oligarchic-and-despotic regimes all across the world, unchallenged until modernity” show us that suffering is not what causes revolutions. Political consciousness is what causes revolutions.
Making things worse helps no one
Man, fuck accelerationists, and I still carry the belief that if dems had power for longer than one president at a time the overton window shift would be possible and perhaps someone like Mamdani could’ve eventually gotten into office that way. But on the other hand, we had a pandemic where it seems like there was a point that even the normies started to figure out that money was just made up and pretty much the entire system is rigged… and then it all just immediately went back to status quo.
I’m hoping that there’s a revolutionary shift after all this fuckery (I have to hope because I think if there isn’t the alternative is boots goosestepping through the streets of DC), and when that comes I’ll have to ask myself if the shakeup would’ve been possible with another likeable Obama type barely moving the needle and continuing the normal kowtowing and funneling our money to the tech bros and corporate oligarchy.
But on the other hand, we had a pandemic where it seems like there was a point that even the normies started to figure out that money was just made up and pretty much the entire system is rigged… and then it all just immediately went back to status quo.
I understand the frustration, but I also think you really overestimate how much of a change the expressions of discontent were during the pandemic, compared to the baseline understanding of Americans just turned up in volume. And skepticism of the system does not necessarily include a willingness to see it overturned. See: the Soviet Union and Russia.
Shit, man, the biggest expressions of public discontent during COVID weren’t against the basic functioning of the economic system, but against inconveniences like masking or limited functioning of recreational institutions.
I think you kinda touched on this earlier when you said “the US electorate is puppeteered by corporations,” and I understood you were making a contrast between “electorate” and “politicians” there. But I think following up with “the biggest expressions of public discontent during COVID [were] against inconveniences like masking,” really proves how fucked up the American voter is. I remember it being said once that voters have the attention span of months not years, but I think it’s really gone down to weeks at best, and the selfishness has multiplied 10 fold since 2020. DOGE already seems like a bygone era to most people.
I think the defining topics of the 2026 midterm election aren’t going to be discovered until September at the earliest. DOGE, Greenland, Venezuela, Iran, Ballroom, Minneapolis, sorry to say it, are all hardly going to appear as footnotes.
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Complaining about Biden is like blaming the Weimar Republic government for what the Nazis did. Sure they were crap, but they are not to blame.
Their Oligarchic backers on the other hand.
You don’t think the Weimar Republic deserves blame for the Nazis? Biden is like Hindenburg, except without having achieved anything himself as Hindenburg was a successful general and Biden was always just a career neo liberal whore.
While the oligarchs, now and the industrialists in the Weimar Republic, are guilty and responsible, it doesn’t excuse the political leadership that is in charge, able to do otherwise, and chose to fail. That leadership were about the only ones with the power to turn back the nazis.
They deserve blame for allowing them to come to power through their incompetence, but not for what the Nazi did.
They knew what the nazis were and refused to do what was necessary, they helped them, appointed hitler Chancellor. You are way fucking off base here.
Thieves who steal are the ones responsible for the theft they committed. Doesn’t matter that the security guard was asleep on duty, (then he’s responsible for being asleep on duty), but the thief is still to blame for the theft itself.
This is like basic shit you’re supposed to learn in elementary school.
Lots of these are so close to being ACP fans, and I am saying that as a bad thing. Even lots of MLs hate ACP, which is saying something.
Sure, Biden was bad and the Democrats won’t help us most likely, but this is a case of the Tankie Reverse Peristalsis, where the more left-wing a figure is, the more Tankies hate them. I swear I haven’t seen them hate Newsom as much as Kat.
zionran obamadami, the most right wing mayor of israel
