• PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Intersex people have sex chromosomes, idk what you mean that they “break” anything. We even already have a term for them, it’s “intersex”. If we need to add terms when distinctt genetic morphologies are established, we can! That’s the beauty of science, we’re always learning more.

    Everything in your body comes from DNA first. The first bits of you that ever existed were chromosomes, everything else comes as a result of how your dad’s DNA combined with your mom’s DNA to make your DNA. You can add all the outside hormones to your body that you want, without DNA telling your body how to respond to them, all you’d have is dead meat filled with chemicals.

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      Intersex people have sex chromosomes

      Yes, and they don’t always match what you’d expect. There are XX “men” and XY “women”.

      Everything in your body comes from DNA first. The first bits of you that ever existed were chromosomes, everything else comes as a result of how your dad’s DNA combined with your mom’s DNA to make your DNA. You can add all the outside hormones to your body that you want, without DNA telling your body how to respond to them, all you’d have is dead meat filled with chemicals.

      Again, chicken or egg. They don’t exist in a vacuum. There are hormones in their environment when the egg is fertilized that tell the DNA how to express itself. Without hormones all you’d have is dead meat. Your body can not function or form without hormones. DNA is a set of rules, and hormones tell it which rules to follow. They work together. Neither is more important than the other. DNA with “female” hormones develop a female body, no matter what DNA they have, and vice versa. The DNA usually (but not always) is an indicator of what hormones they’ll produce, but the expression is also dictated by hormones.

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        2 days ago

        Well we hit the reply limit so I won’t be able to respond to the proper comments and quoting is far too tedious. As such, you’ll just have to use context clues to figure out which parts of your most recent comment I’m referring to.

        Obviously there’s no first chicken but they all came out of eggs. And I was only half-trolling about the plant DNA, I’m also pointing out the importance of DNA. You said it didn’t matter what the DNA was, I pointed out the flaw in that reasoning. It has to be the right DNA, estradiol is estradiol no matter where it occurs, it can’t turn anything female.

        And sorry if you feel you’ve wasted time, personally that’s the only reason I’m on this platform. 🤷‍♂️

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        2 days ago

        Personally, I have no expectations. Like I said, if we need more accurate language, all else we need is the data for it to describe.

        The chicken-egg thing is easy though, the egg came first. All chickens came out of eggs, including the first one. Two non-chickens combined their DNA to make a chicken, which came out of an egg.

        Where did the hormones that control DNA expression come from? DNA. DNA is more than 3 billion years older than hormones, DNA can replicate itself without hormones. Hormones can’t combine themselves to make new hormones, and they certainly can’t turn themselves into DNA.

        DNA with female hormones develop a female body no matter what DNA they have

        Not true. Add human estrogen to sex-undetermined plant DNA, you certainly won’t make a female human and you have no guarantees what sex the plant will be. Add it to asexual organisms, they’re not going to suddenly develop hitherto non-existent sex morphologies. DNA is king, it’s straight-up GOATed. The only way to break it down further is to start categorizing people by their A-T to G-C ratio, and I don’t think that’s an efficient use of time, technology, or resources.

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          The chicken-egg thing is easy though, the egg came first. All chickens came out of eggs, including the first one. Two non-chickens combined their DNA to make a chicken, which came out of an egg.

          I don’t know if you’re trolling or not. There is no sudden point where chicken evolution became a chicken. They just get more and more chicken like traits. It’s a spectrum of evolution, which is still ongoing.

          Where did the hormones that control DNA expression come from? DNA.

          No? It was in the environment first. Then evolution selected DNA that responded to the environment in ways that helped it reproduce. This then evolved into cells that produce their own hormones that act on DNA in existing pathways. Without DNA already being effected by hormones in the environment there likely wouldn’t have been evolutionary pressure to manufacture them.

          Not true. Add human estrogen to sex-undetermined plant DNA…

          You’re obviously trolling. Clearly I’m talking about humans. Wtf. Cut out your bad faith shit. You’re wasting both of our time.