We cut middle managers across the organization because AI allows us to have more direct reports per manager while still measuring and mentoring our teams effectively. – Matthew Prince, How I Choose…
Yeah absolutely agree. In another thread I pointed out the difference between a pro using it and a novice using it.
Currently the loudest people seem to be the novices using it, even journalists? Maybe it’s just hatred and determination of people to make it sound bad to fulfill their fantasy of it sucking. Theres definitely an echo chamber effect going around also, a hivemind of “ai sucks”.
Anyhow, I like to add my experience with AI to discussions to counter all the negativity.
Quoting studies to actually back up one’s point is in my opinion far less of an echo chamber and a fantasy than anecdotes of “but for me it feels faster”. Especially when AI is known to slow people down while making them feel faster.
Yes, that must be wonderful to live in academic world and to throw around papers and shit but down here on the ground a lot of us actually get shit done and we aren’t the delusional ones that are pretending like somethings making us faster because we don’t have the money to waste if it’s not actually making us faster.
Are you an engineer? I’m trying to get a feel for what type of people don’t think that LLMs are useful for software engine
FYI in many countries the term “engineer” is protected. Software devs would not be allowed to call themselves engineers without some kind of certification.
All that aside, I think you’ll find that a majority of people on this instance write code regularly, whether as a hobby or day job. Also, at my software dev day job, we actually regularly discuss the academic research around LLMs primarily because it has a major impact on our work.
Personally speaking, what I’ve seen over the past few years is that it creates pretty demos really quickly that fall apart the minute you need to actually develop for real. The code becomes an unmaintainable amalgamation of random libraries used to do the same thing multiple ways, and my coworkers who rely on it heavily have learned basically nothing about the libraries or tools they use because they ask the LLM to do it all for them. This is also ignoring the complete lack of motivation I have now for PR reviews knowing that the same mistakes will be made again and again in the future because teaching a coworker a better way to do something does nothing to improve the output of a LLM, which cannot learn.
That’s not to say you can’t use it effectively. There just needs to be a balance between what you do as a developer vs what you have the LLM churn out quickly for you. It requires a lot of direction, enough so that I find it to be a waste of time as opposed to implementing things myself usually. Plus, I actually learn more doing it all myself, like upcoming library versions, changes in the tools and libraries I use since last using them, new language features, and so on.
While I’m not going to do a code review of your linked projects (nor do I believe that would be very useful), it sounds to me like you’ve found a way to make it work for you. That’s awesome. I, unfortunately, am regularly subjected to the slop emitted by it when in the hands of people who are actively destroying what experience they might have once had in favor of doing less work.
Yeah absolutely agree. In another thread I pointed out the difference between a pro using it and a novice using it.
Currently the loudest people seem to be the novices using it, even journalists? Maybe it’s just hatred and determination of people to make it sound bad to fulfill their fantasy of it sucking. Theres definitely an echo chamber effect going around also, a hivemind of “ai sucks”.
Anyhow, I like to add my experience with AI to discussions to counter all the negativity.
Quoting studies to actually back up one’s point is in my opinion far less of an echo chamber and a fantasy than anecdotes of “but for me it feels faster”. Especially when AI is known to slow people down while making them feel faster.
Yes, that must be wonderful to live in academic world and to throw around papers and shit but down here on the ground a lot of us actually get shit done and we aren’t the delusional ones that are pretending like somethings making us faster because we don’t have the money to waste if it’s not actually making us faster.
Are you an engineer? I’m trying to get a feel for what type of people don’t think that LLMs are useful for software engine
FYI in many countries the term “engineer” is protected. Software devs would not be allowed to call themselves engineers without some kind of certification.
All that aside, I think you’ll find that a majority of people on this instance write code regularly, whether as a hobby or day job. Also, at my software dev day job, we actually regularly discuss the academic research around LLMs primarily because it has a major impact on our work.
Personally speaking, what I’ve seen over the past few years is that it creates pretty demos really quickly that fall apart the minute you need to actually develop for real. The code becomes an unmaintainable amalgamation of random libraries used to do the same thing multiple ways, and my coworkers who rely on it heavily have learned basically nothing about the libraries or tools they use because they ask the LLM to do it all for them. This is also ignoring the complete lack of motivation I have now for PR reviews knowing that the same mistakes will be made again and again in the future because teaching a coworker a better way to do something does nothing to improve the output of a LLM, which cannot learn.
That’s not to say you can’t use it effectively. There just needs to be a balance between what you do as a developer vs what you have the LLM churn out quickly for you. It requires a lot of direction, enough so that I find it to be a waste of time as opposed to implementing things myself usually. Plus, I actually learn more doing it all myself, like upcoming library versions, changes in the tools and libraries I use since last using them, new language features, and so on.
While I’m not going to do a code review of your linked projects (nor do I believe that would be very useful), it sounds to me like you’ve found a way to make it work for you. That’s awesome. I, unfortunately, am regularly subjected to the slop emitted by it when in the hands of people who are actively destroying what experience they might have once had in favor of doing less work.