This links to the archived version. Original link is: https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1

Elon Musk and his supporters offer several explanations for his contrarian views, unfiltered speech and provocative antics. They’re an expression of his creativity. Or the result of his mental-health challenges. Or fallout from his stress, or sleep deprivation.

In recent years, some executives and board members at his companies and others close to the billionaire have developed a persistent concern that there is another component driving his behavior: his use of drugs.

And they fear the Tesla TSLA -0.18%decrease; red down pointing triangle and SpaceX chief executive’s drug use could have major consequences not just for his health, but also the six companies and billions in assets he oversees, according to people familiar with Musk and the companies.

The world’s wealthiest person has used LSD, cocaine, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, often at private parties around the world, where attendees sign nondisclosure agreements or give up their phones to enter, according to people who have witnessed his drug use and others with knowledge of it. Musk has previously smoked marijuana in public and has said he has a prescription for the psychedelic-like ketamine.

In 2018, for example, he took multiple tabs of acid at a party he hosted in Los Angeles. The next year he partied on magic mushrooms at an event in Mexico. In 2021, he took ketamine recreationally with his brother, Kimbal Musk, in Miami at a house party during Art Basel. He has taken illegal drugs with current SpaceX and former Tesla board member Steve Jurvetson.

Etc. etc. That should get the bulk of the summary in. Given Elon Musk’s widely known partying in Silicon Valley, as well as him acknowledging the use of both Ketamine and Ambien as party drugs, the news of harder drugs is no surprise to me at least.

Elon has denied this article, but here’s some interesting details. This one is spicy:

Hundreds of SpaceX employees gathered around mission control at the rocket company’s headquarters in Hawthorne, Calif., in anticipation of Musk, who was nearly an hour late to arrive at the all-hands meeting about the company’s latest rocket.

When he finally took the stage, Musk was strangely incomprehensible at times. He slurred his words and rambled for around 15 minutes, according to executives in attendance, and referred repeatedly to SpaceX’s Big Falcon Rocket prototype, which was known as BFR, as “Big F—ing Rocket.”

I don’t expect much to happen with regards to TSLA board or SpaceX board. But maybe the Feds will be forced to step in? Elon does have a top secret clearance apparently, and hard drugs are a big no-no.

  • Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    You are literally repeating an urban legend here and now you’re doubling down.

    If you actually care about information then here is a layman’s article form the first page of my Google results:

    https://action-rehab.com/does-lsd-stay-in-your-spine/

    How LSD is Metabolised by the Body

    LSD is usually taken orally in the form of a blot on paper or, less commonly, a pill, a watery solution or a gelatine square known as a pane. It passes into the bloodstream and then into the brain and other organs, where it has its characteristic effects. LSD metabolism – the processing of the drug – is largely done by the liver, which breaks it down into different chemicals.

    Because LSD is so strong it is only taken in tiny doses – typically between 65 and 200 micrograms (µg), although doses can be lighter or heavier than that. A microgram is one-millionth of a gram.

    This can make it difficult to detect and can only be detected in urine using specialist tests. Most routine urine tests will not pick up LSD but there are some special techniques such as liquid-liquid extraction and ultra-high-performance liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectroscopy (UHPLC-MS/MS) that can.

    LSD can be detected in blood but only for a limited time. In one study, researchers were able to detect LSD for up to 16 hours in people who had taken 200 micrograms of the drug. In people who had a lower dose of 100 micrograms, they could only detect it for up to 8 hours. LSD may also be detectable in hair for longer, but this does not mean that it is active in your system as markers stay present as your hair grows. This can be useful for drug tests for some substances but again, as LSD is taken in very small amounts, hair tests can be unreliable for its detection.

    Does Acid Stay in Your Spine?

    So does LSD stay in the spine and body? There is no scientific evidence that it does. While the tiny amounts involved in a regular dose of LSD make it difficult to detect, the best indications are that acid only stays in the system for a number of hours rather than days, weeks or even years.

    The belief probably comes from the long-held idea of ‘flashbacks’, which are themselves difficult to prove or quantify. It is not generally accepted by scientists that flashbacks – if they do exist – are a result of drugs being stored in the spinal column or elsewhere in the body.

    Potential Long-Term Effects of LSD in Your System

    While the storage of LSD in the spine or elsewhere in the system appears to be a myth, there may be other long-term effects of LSD use. These tend to be more psychological than physical. One study found that a single dose of LSD in healthy volunteers was “subjectively considered a personally meaningful experience that had long-lasting subjective positive effects”.

    For others, however, the effects can be negative and very serious. Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD), is a condition involving perceptual changes lasting weeks or months following the use of a drug like LSD. Using acid and other hallucinogens can be detrimental to mental health, potentially triggering a mental health episode or exacerbating an existing condition

    Pretty sure your buddies are idiots who failed to treat LSD with the respect it deserves and ended up psychologically injured by it. That is not science, that is dumdums.

    • dragontamer@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      14·
      1 year ago

      You are literally repeating an urban legend here and now you’re doubling down.

      Your own link doesn’t argue against my point.

      For others, however, the effects can be negative and very serious. Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD), is a condition involving perceptual changes lasting weeks or months following the use of a drug like LSD. Using acid and other hallucinogens can be detrimental to mental health, potentially triggering a mental health episode or exacerbating an existing condition

      Okay, thanks for proving my point I guess? There’s absolutely risks of long-term serious psychological damage due to long-lasting bad trips.

      Aside from the “spine” thing (that my LSD-buddies told me about), I don’t think I’ve misrepresented anything here. I dunno why you’re so defensive about this subject. The “spine” theory was popular like 20 years ago, maybe more info is known now and its not about LSD hidden in the spine or whatever, but that doesn’t change the fact that HPPD exists (apparently that’s the name of this effect? Cool, its got a name now, I’ll remember that)

      Note: your other post crossed the line of what is useful in discussion. I’m not against getting into a personal fight in most cases, but I’m also the moderator of this lemmy-community so I’ll try to keep things clean and try to make myself in better behavior. Your other post was clearly troll-bait at worst, and completely irrelevant to the discussion otherwise.

      If you wish to continue talking in this community, keep it clean. This post here of yours doesn’t break any rules, but consider this post your fair warning. I’m not afraid to ban you if I have to if you cross the line again.

      • Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Please ban me. I have no desire to partake in a community lorded over by idiots.

        Involving mod status in a personal argument is beyond pathetic.