i do not understand american’s aversion to the bidet. why would i want to wipe my ass with dry fucking paper rather than water? why why why. like it’s somehow ‘gross’ to use water. but scraping at wet shit with fucking tissue paper is hygienic and normal?
I understand why you like it. I don’t understand why the other person isn’t allowed to dislike it. Does it harm anyone if he “smears shit into the rest of him”?
I got one with a dryer that makes that a lot better. It does take too long to fully dry it though, so it’s this middle ground of not too wet to dry off, and not waiting forever for the dryer.
OK guys – Think about this – What if you got shit on your hands or anywhere else on your body. Would you make this argument? Would you think that would be OK if someone told you they just wiped it off with a paper towel and went on about their day? no.
Somebody once said it to me like this: “If you faceplant into a pile of shit, would you rather wipe your face with a dry paper, or use water for cleaning”
I don’t understand this either, toilets already require running water and have plenty of room to integrate bidet function. It’s not fancy tech or anything… in North America that’s sort of how they’re marketed though, with an emphasis on the settings, like its something you have to learn to use.
Pretty much every thread we have in this community, someone comes along to say “you should pressure-wash your asshole”. I’m mildly bemused that this is what Lemmy obsesses over.
I’ve always heard it explained like this (which I wholeheartedly agree with). Imagine you’re hiking a trail in the forest, and you trip on a rock and fall. By chance, you land on turd of excrement, luckily it only smears part of your arm and elbow with shit. Would you be fine just taking a piece of toilet paper and scraping it off? Or, would you feel compelled to wash it off with water, perhaps also soap?
Why wouldn’t you just use paper, if you scrape hard enough it wouldn’t even smell and be just as clean, arguably?
If you would at least use water, why do you extend to your elbow a courtesy that you don’t extend to your anus?
The point is that there’s a lot of people who walk through life with a dirty asshole, but then try to act morally superior regarding personal hygiene, and I think that that’s not right.
I was in Asia and got pretty horrible food poisoning. My wife suggested we head over to this Japanese mall. Spent the day there. Use the toilet, walk around, buy something, use the toilet. That was the ideal toilet to have in that situation.
I own a BioBidet 2000. My friend Brian has one at his house and he convinced me to just try it. I did. And then I ordered one for myself before I left the bathroom.
I’ve never used your $20 Luxe bidet to know the difference, but I’m going to assume it doesn’t have a heated seat, heated water, variable pressure settings, massage settings, and an enema setting. If those features don’t interest you, then nothing at all makes it better. Use what you like. My wife just really loves the heated seat in the winter time.
Cultures who use bidets and not the bum gun will always confuse me. Ones a robot strapped to the toilet that does a medicore job at one thing, then other is a cheap water gun you can use for all sorts of shit (pun intended).
Uhhm, I’m not a doctor and this is not medical advice, but. You should talk to a proctologist about hemorrhoids or other blood circulation issues. Anuses are not supposed to itch when lightly sprayed with water, or ever for that matter, and that sensation might be a sign of tissue inflammation. Don’t ask me how I know this.
It’s like having a second toilet seat. Takes more room.
Not from the US and live in a condo, so I’m speaking from a purely practical standpoint. My condo is not that big and having a bidet would mean that I have no place to put my washer and dryer at.
Some of them have it, but that complicates the installation. I bought one without a heater ages ago, thinking I’d hate it. I actually hardly notice the cold water. Your butthole isn’t great at sensing hot vs cold.
My butthole is pretty good at sensing temperature. During the winter I have to try and use the bidet fast with the room temp water before the cold outside water gets to my turd cutter.
Here, it was below -25C (-13F) last night, and it has generally been below -20C at night for weeks now. Our water is now very cold. Believe me when I say your asshole will notice that.
I will say tap water at this temperature is fantastic to drink though.
Water coming from the nastiest thing in the building in contact with the part of my skin that’s got a low barrier to things passing through it? Get fucked.
You do know that toilets are like, the easiest to clean piece of furniture ever invented. Like the thing is designed to withstand being sprayed with chlorine on the regular. It’s literally a porcelain basin that has a built in water flushing system. If it’s your home’s private toilet, no one else but you will ever use it and you can make it as clean as you want it to before using it.
Even then, epidemiologically, in any given public bathroom, you’re several orders of magnitude more likely to catch an illness from the door handle than the toilet.
[About the study that claims changes in vagina’s bacteria] The study would “have to be repeated” for researchers to draw any conclusions, Swartzberg says.
This could go either way, bottom line, we don’t know.
bidet nozzles were contaminated with infection-causing organisms such as Staphylococcus aureus and Enterococcus spp.
So does your fridge, but no one is advocating against using fridges to store food.
You need to regularly clean it.
Uhh? duh. Such a radical concept, hygiene, that’s surely too much for most people. You also have to regularly clean your whole bathroom. What’s the con?
It’s also important to pay attention to your bidet’s water pressure and temperature
The level to which some articles infantilize adults is the really scalding issue here. Top water temperature of a typical household heater should be no higher than 120 F (48° C), unless you do something seriously wrong, my guess is you’ll be fine.
I’m less worried about whatever diseases I may already have and more worried about those coming from others. You can have butthole splash time all you want. If you’re toilet is entirely private, maybe that’s even good. I’m not doing it.
Are you just fucking stupid? All water in the building comes from the same fucking place, the water in the toilet and the kitchen sink are the same until they fester.
Is this like a mental locational thing? There is no way the unsanitary water from the toilet bowl can back feed into the water line. They are isolated mechanically via the tank float and by gravity because water can’t travel back up into the tank from the bowl. The bidet and toilet fill valve is piped into the same water line the hand sink is you use to rinse your mouth after brushing your teeth.
sorry this is gross:
i do not understand american’s aversion to the bidet. why would i want to wipe my ass with dry fucking paper rather than water? why why why. like it’s somehow ‘gross’ to use water. but scraping at wet shit with fucking tissue paper is hygienic and normal?
American with bidet for 2.5 yrs. I hate shitting anywhere else now. Need a shower to get a new ass. Day is ruined.
pro tip: get a mobile one. Its basically just a plastic bottle with a nozzle screwed on. Some even come with little travel bags.
Pro tip: Those are called douches, pretty sweet huh?
I am not carrying around a tube for my asshole
Certainly not a 2nd one!
Yeah, I have one of these for backpacking. Works great.
Same.
My ass is squeaky clean at home.
I think we got our bidets at the same time
Woot deal?
Installed one for my Filipina wife. Never used it myself. I have shit on that pot for months, still forget it’s there. Old habits die hard.
Dude. Do it. Go. Right now. Don’t even need to drop heat. Just go freshen up.
Yeah I gave it a go. Not a fan. Took a lot of drying and I’m not very messy.
I love how you’re being downvoted for having a personal opinion that harms no one but dares to go against the circlejerk.
Yeah 2 of my close friends told me it was the greatest thing they’ve ever bought. I was very disappointed to say the least.
Because dry wiping doesn’t actually clean your ass, it just picks up most of the shit and smears the rest into you.
I understand why you like it. I don’t understand why the other person isn’t allowed to dislike it. Does it harm anyone if he “smears shit into the rest of him”?
I got one with a dryer that makes that a lot better. It does take too long to fully dry it though, so it’s this middle ground of not too wet to dry off, and not waiting forever for the dryer.
Do you not use any toilet paper? That’s gross. You need at least a tiny bit, it helps to dry too
Sorry my bad. Yes a little toilet paper. Much less because of the dryer.
Just use 2 squares of paper
OK guys – Think about this – What if you got shit on your hands or anywhere else on your body. Would you make this argument? Would you think that would be OK if someone told you they just wiped it off with a paper towel and went on about their day? no.
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For the sake of your septic system, please don’t flush those! Not even the ones that lie and say they are “flushable”…
Somebody once said it to me like this: “If you faceplant into a pile of shit, would you rather wipe your face with a dry paper, or use water for cleaning”
I think you’re shitting wrong…
Bath tub. With soap. My SO washes his dick every time he pees and his ass every time he shits. After he wipes.
Ok that’s too far. You don’t need to get into the bath just because you pissed wtf.
People don’t wash their ASS after they SHIT??
Sorry let me just wash my ass in the public sink when I gotta take a shit and I’m not home?
I think wet wipe would be best, and it’s my favorite option.
Can’t safely flush them though, no matter how “flushable” they claim to be
they’re afraid they’ll enjoy it…
I enjoy mine…
scary
This is also gross. There’s a lot of men in the US that thinks touching there ass is gay so they never clean them.
I have heard this so many times, but I absolutely refuse to believe that it is real.
So they don’t even jerk off?
That’s gay
Surely that’s an urban legend, like truck nutz and decent beer.
It is serious, and don’t call me Shirley.
N O-
It’s not a problem to touch there ass. It’s touching here ass that makes someone gay.
Where ass?
I don’t know! Wherever the there ass is that the other guy was talking about, I guess
I’d argue anything past the first knuckle is on the spectrum.
Why are we getting my ISP inolved in this imaginary ass play?
$5/mo credit on your bill if you let them install a toilet cam.
Is that $5 per knuckle?
Its a sliding scale.
Touché
I don’t understand this either, toilets already require running water and have plenty of room to integrate bidet function. It’s not fancy tech or anything… in North America that’s sort of how they’re marketed though, with an emphasis on the settings, like its something you have to learn to use.
Pretty much every thread we have in this community, someone comes along to say “you should pressure-wash your asshole”. I’m mildly bemused that this is what Lemmy obsesses over.
It’s not just Lemmy, the sentiment is on Reddit and such as well.
I’ve always heard it explained like this (which I wholeheartedly agree with). Imagine you’re hiking a trail in the forest, and you trip on a rock and fall. By chance, you land on turd of excrement, luckily it only smears part of your arm and elbow with shit. Would you be fine just taking a piece of toilet paper and scraping it off? Or, would you feel compelled to wash it off with water, perhaps also soap?
Why wouldn’t you just use paper, if you scrape hard enough it wouldn’t even smell and be just as clean, arguably?
If you would at least use water, why do you extend to your elbow a courtesy that you don’t extend to your anus?
The point is that there’s a lot of people who walk through life with a dirty asshole, but then try to act morally superior regarding personal hygiene, and I think that that’s not right.
Dude, you think I haven’t heard that explanation before? Did you forget where we are?
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ten_thousand.png
I was in Asia and got pretty horrible food poisoning. My wife suggested we head over to this Japanese mall. Spent the day there. Use the toilet, walk around, buy something, use the toilet. That was the ideal toilet to have in that situation.
I live in Japan. My wife and I recently went to visit my family in the US and I hated every minute of the toilet situation.
I own a BioBidet 2000. My friend Brian has one at his house and he convinced me to just try it. I did. And then I ordered one for myself before I left the bathroom.
What makes it better than my luxe bidet that I got for $20
I’ve never used your $20 Luxe bidet to know the difference, but I’m going to assume it doesn’t have a heated seat, heated water, variable pressure settings, massage settings, and an enema setting. If those features don’t interest you, then nothing at all makes it better. Use what you like. My wife just really loves the heated seat in the winter time.
You had me at heated seat. Fucker’s cold this time of year. Feel like I’m going to get my ass stuck to it.
Tell Brian thank you. I just used his and ordered one too.
Edit: I really did order one though, my current bidet needs an upgrade.
Fear of the Koch bros?!
Completely agree. I was raised with bidets/ water cleaning. TP That’s just a dry off or catch those last few drops
They’ve become increasingly common in recent years. I don’t think there’s as much of an aversion as you appear to imagine.
Cultures who use bidets and not the bum gun will always confuse me. Ones a robot strapped to the toilet that does a medicore job at one thing, then other is a cheap water gun you can use for all sorts of shit (pun intended).
I used them while visiting Europe. They made my ass incredibly itchy. I’m good with the paper and washing my hands.
How does water make your butt itchy?
He was applying the water with a dildo 😞
Like someone at the bar whose seat is too far from the counter, he was trying to push his stool in
Ahh yes, deep cleaning.
A very itchy dildo?
Uhhm, I’m not a doctor and this is not medical advice, but. You should talk to a proctologist about hemorrhoids or other blood circulation issues. Anuses are not supposed to itch when lightly sprayed with water, or ever for that matter, and that sensation might be a sign of tissue inflammation. Don’t ask me how I know this.
This was many years ago. The itching didn’t happen immediately. Good advice to not take medical advice in social media comments.
That’s worse.
It’s like having a second toilet seat. Takes more room.
Not from the US and live in a condo, so I’m speaking from a purely practical standpoint. My condo is not that big and having a bidet would mean that I have no place to put my washer and dryer at.
the bidet is an attachment to your toilet, not a separate thing
That’s not really traditionally true. Modern ones are integrated into the toilet seat, but they used to be a standalone fixture.
Yes, I was thinking about the old designs, haven’t brushed up on new designs.
Sure, in that case, I would consider it, why not.
Oh… well, it was a sparate thing back in the day, haven’t looked up new designs.
Check out the new ones. They fit right between the toilet seat and the bowl lip. Super slim. Plus, always clean ass.
You know those poops you take when you wipe once and it’s already clean? It’s like that but ALL THE TIME.
Damn… this does seem like the way to go.
I will most definitely look this up, seems like a real time and money saver 👍.
You’ll enjoy this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=crDMkN8TZ8k
I suppose there’s also a mini electrical boiler in there somewhere, so the water’s not cold when it hits my ass.
Cool though, will look into this, seems like a nice soltion, toilet paper is getting more and more expensive.
Correct!
Some of them have it, but that complicates the installation. I bought one without a heater ages ago, thinking I’d hate it. I actually hardly notice the cold water. Your butthole isn’t great at sensing hot vs cold.
My butthole is pretty good at sensing temperature. During the winter I have to try and use the bidet fast with the room temp water before the cold outside water gets to my turd cutter.
I call dibs on first shit
Really? Hm… might try that as an experiment 😂.
Here, it was below -25C (-13F) last night, and it has generally been below -20C at night for weeks now. Our water is now very cold. Believe me when I say your asshole will notice that.
I will say tap water at this temperature is fantastic to drink though.
Water coming from the nastiest thing in the building in contact with the part of my skin that’s got a low barrier to things passing through it? Get fucked.
Motherfucker, you just shat out of your delicate asshole. Tap water ain’t gonna hurt it.
I think it’s more… What other people did with the bidet hardware that might result in it spraying other things with said tap water.
You do know that toilets are like, the easiest to clean piece of furniture ever invented. Like the thing is designed to withstand being sprayed with chlorine on the regular. It’s literally a porcelain basin that has a built in water flushing system. If it’s your home’s private toilet, no one else but you will ever use it and you can make it as clean as you want it to before using it.
Even then, epidemiologically, in any given public bathroom, you’re several orders of magnitude more likely to catch an illness from the door handle than the toilet.
See “the cons”. I’m lightly convinced for private residences… Public restrooms as awful as I’ve seen them, I don’t know about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/11/30/bidet-hygiene-pros-cons/
This could go either way, bottom line, we don’t know.
So does your fridge, but no one is advocating against using fridges to store food.
Uhh? duh. Such a radical concept, hygiene, that’s surely too much for most people. You also have to regularly clean your whole bathroom. What’s the con?
The level to which some articles infantilize adults is the really scalding issue here. Top water temperature of a typical household heater should be no higher than 120 F (48° C), unless you do something seriously wrong, my guess is you’ll be fine.
I’m less worried about whatever diseases I may already have and more worried about those coming from others. You can have butthole splash time all you want. If you’re toilet is entirely private, maybe that’s even good. I’m not doing it.
Are you just fucking stupid? All water in the building comes from the same fucking place, the water in the toilet and the kitchen sink are the same until they fester.
There is nothing more hygenic than a bidet
Yeah bruh, it’s fine until it’s at the toilet. Then it’s not fine. Get over yourself.
Do you… Do you think that the water in the bowl is what gets sprayed on your ass?
Obviously not.
Is this like a mental locational thing? There is no way the unsanitary water from the toilet bowl can back feed into the water line. They are isolated mechanically via the tank float and by gravity because water can’t travel back up into the tank from the bowl. The bidet and toilet fill valve is piped into the same water line the hand sink is you use to rinse your mouth after brushing your teeth.
I don’t understand why you’re so angry. Do you not get how bidets work?
Angry? Don’t project. I’m grossed out.
Do you also avoid brushing your teeth on the bathroom? Because I have some news about poop particulate and toothbrushes for you.
No, but I don’t keep my toothbrush in the bathroom for that reason.