Crossing your arms and refusing to cooperate based on principle, and expecting others to do the same in the same way, is not the move right this second.
And it will never be “the right move this second” in any second for the next 50 years, 100 years, 1000 years following your path. Delaying something in politics is the same as opposing it.
We can still do all of the organizing and striking and educating while still doing our due diligence in making sure that the united right wing does not remain in power. It isn’t all or nothing.
Can you though? You’re tying yourself to the democratic party, which means that anything it does to fuck people (which it does constantly) will reflect on you and discredit your movement. You’re tying yourself to a sinking ship. And if you take the position that the status quo is acceptable, then why organize to change things at all? Voting is a hell of a lot safer and easier than organizing a strike. If it worked, there’d be little reason to engage in all that.
can we ACTUALLY make a 3rd party president, or can we work from the ground up, starting with local governments and communities
Nobody cares about any race except the presidency. That’s unfortunate but that’s the truth.
Nobody is forming a political identity around who they vote for for dogcatcher. They form their identities around the presidential candidate they vote for. The most expedient way to change people’s political identities is to challenge their presidential choice. The whole reason that this talking point about third parties “working their way up” through downballot races only exists because people don’t care what happens in them, it’s basically a way to exclude us from any relevant discussion.
Throwing votes at a 3rd party in the current state of US elections is wasting a vote because you were privileged enough to do so.
This is such a nonsensical talking point. “Privileged enough to do so?” That doesn’t even make sense. It’s not as if anyone is directly rewarded or punished for their vote. How does privilege enter into it in any way?
If anything, I’d say that you’re the one coming at this from a privileged position. The Democrats were actively supporting genocide, but you could just ignore and look past that.
I presume that is why you get yelled at - your priority this election was yourself and your opinions rather than trying to protect the safety of your fellow citizens.
This is even more nonsensical. “My opinions” are my best assessment of the best way of improving society and the world, including the safety of my fellow citizens. You’re essentially accusing me of putting my sense of morality above what’s right - but my sense of morality is what tells me what’s right. Your vote is equally based on your opinions. Utterly incoherent talking point.
Granted, this election was a bureaucratic mess, but choosing not to vote Biden/Harris in 2024 signaled to others where your loyalty was (or rather, wasn’t).
Yes, that’s part of why I did it. I have zero loyalty to the genocidal, Blue MAGA imperialists, I consider myself a citizen of the world and obviously that means not supporting genocide and imperialism.
And it will never be “the right move this second” in any second for the next 50 years, 100 years, 1000 years following your path. Delaying something in politics is the same as opposing it.
Can you though? You’re tying yourself to the democratic party, which means that anything it does to fuck people (which it does constantly) will reflect on you and discredit your movement. You’re tying yourself to a sinking ship. And if you take the position that the status quo is acceptable, then why organize to change things at all? Voting is a hell of a lot safer and easier than organizing a strike. If it worked, there’d be little reason to engage in all that.
Nobody cares about any race except the presidency. That’s unfortunate but that’s the truth.
Nobody is forming a political identity around who they vote for for dogcatcher. They form their identities around the presidential candidate they vote for. The most expedient way to change people’s political identities is to challenge their presidential choice. The whole reason that this talking point about third parties “working their way up” through downballot races only exists because people don’t care what happens in them, it’s basically a way to exclude us from any relevant discussion.
This is such a nonsensical talking point. “Privileged enough to do so?” That doesn’t even make sense. It’s not as if anyone is directly rewarded or punished for their vote. How does privilege enter into it in any way?
If anything, I’d say that you’re the one coming at this from a privileged position. The Democrats were actively supporting genocide, but you could just ignore and look past that.
This is even more nonsensical. “My opinions” are my best assessment of the best way of improving society and the world, including the safety of my fellow citizens. You’re essentially accusing me of putting my sense of morality above what’s right - but my sense of morality is what tells me what’s right. Your vote is equally based on your opinions. Utterly incoherent talking point.
Yes, that’s part of why I did it. I have zero loyalty to the genocidal, Blue MAGA imperialists, I consider myself a citizen of the world and obviously that means not supporting genocide and imperialism.
Disengage.