• Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      11 months ago

      This is a weird amount of preoccupation to have with a subculture of mostly queer people who just watched too much Disney and read too much Warrior Cats or Animorphs as kids.

      In general furries embrace their cringe and are unashamed of the stuff they enjoy, can’t say I see anything near as wholesome from the company you keep when you’re hand wringing about sexual degenerates that should be banned from schools.

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        Saying something is fucked up has been said about a lot of things. I’m sure there’s someone who’s said it’s fucked up to put pineapple on a pizza.

        Also you do realise those are things people are born as? Whereas no furry was born a non-human.

        The fact you would even compare them is a a revile as 4Chan trolls trying to link “maps” to LGBT.

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              So, sometimes I pretend to be a wizard and roll some dice about it. If one of my players showed up in armor it’d be badass. It’s a hobby. Few things are more cringe than furry hate.

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                The key difference being you’re playing a game.

                If one of your players showed up wearing a fedora, hentai body pillow, and hadn’t bathed in 7 days would you still be as happy?

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                  No because they should bathe and take their body pillow to a group around that. Idgaf what kind of hat they wear though.

                  That’s the thing here, furry events are the time and place for furry stuff. It’s like how people dress weird and hit each other in dungeons and wrestling rings. People dress weird and say strange things in religious buildings. People dress weird, talk weird, pretend to be someone they aren’t, and often stink at Renaissance festivals. Times and places. I’m not gonna judge their hobby just like I won’t judge the SCA

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                    So it’s a hobby and not an identity now?

                    Its completely separate from being LGBTQ+. Good.

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              Bullshit. That’s the same shit used against drag queens and crossdressers. People who were instrumental to lgbtq history. I’d have thought someone “not straight” would’ve known better.

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                You’d be surprised. I’ve even encountered a lot of gay people who are against the ‘T’ or the ‘BT’ in LGBT.

                Being gay certainly makes you more likely to be progressive, but I’ve learned it definitely doesn’t guarantee it.

                Plenty of gay people are regressive, hateful fuckwits.

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                  I’d suggest you read the g/acc manifesto. Some people do believe they’re animals and should be encouraged to express their kinship with them. Queering society as such is something you should be all for if you’re “not straight”. I say this as a trans woman who’s been around the community for a decade- identity is fucking complicated. Reductive logic like this is NOT applicable and actively harmful, even. therian/xenogender people, you’re fucking awesome and I love you all.

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                    Some people do believe they’re animals and should be encouraged to express their kinship with them

                    Uh no, those ones in particular should be getting legitimate psychiatric help, just like someone believing they’re Jesus should.

                    And they are not part of the community because they are not a sexuality or gender. Stop weakening the movement by lumping every random alt thing into it.

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              True, but it’s obviously different from race, sex, etc. It’s closer to nationality, because it affects your upbringing but can change over time.

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      You can not be homophobic and have similar thoughts on a subject with a group that is.

      Very little has a strictly black and white separation in this world, it’s all shades of grey.

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          And neither do most furries. It’s like saying gamers are fucked up because they wanna fuck Lara Croff and cosplay Let Me Solo Her. The weirdest parts of a community aren’t the only parts, or even the biggest parts. Plenty of furries just like watching Looney Tunes and Zootopia and making OCs.

          The furries=sexual deviants line was what they once said about Trekkies, and it was as true then as it is now.

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              Put way better than I could say it, thank you. As somebody who’s been on the edge of that community for years as an artist, the hatred they get has always baffled me.

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              I can even agree that for a lot of cartoony media, depicting people as animals can give it a really cool/cute style. A lot of people have fond memories of reading the Redwall books, which took that to a logical and mature extension. But, having close association to all of the sexual stuff is where it gets bizarre and unlikable.

              I’ll even go out on a limb; I really enjoyed Lauren Faust’s My Little Pony series. I thought there was some fun, inventive writing humor, good VA, and smooth animation; for a time. But there’s undeniably a ton of people that made obsession with that series really weird.

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              The sample they used is likely not representative of the whole fandom; they only interviewed 334 furries in the study, from a fandom made of millions of people. And the participants were all male, too.

              …I can’t be the only one who actually reads these things, right?

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                2000 is considered the perfect size for surveys. Anymore and you’re wasting resources on diminishing margins of error.

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                  OK but that’s very, very fucking different from saying that furries are attracted to animals like you originally said, and that’s what is really fucking offensive, especially considering that pretty much anyone who gets outed as an actual zoophile is swiftly exiled from the furry fandom

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              But saying there isn’t a sexual aspect about it, is not true.

              Bruh, take anything and you can probably find a sexual aspect about it.

              There’s a sexual aspect about Sports Illustrated. I’m not going to turn around and say everyone who subscribes to Sports Illustrated is a pervert.

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                Facts. I mean, I know I don’t need to, but I’m going to quote Rule 34 in its entirety:

                If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions.

                Take anything and I guarantee you, someone, somewhere, has sexualized it. And if not, there is Rule 35, which states

                If there is no porn of it, porn of it will be made.

                Some can interpret this as, “If you discover that something has no porn, you have a responsibility to make it.”

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              I didn’t say there was no sexual aspect to it, but I stand corrected that there’s some sexual aspect involved for the vast majority (at least of the men they interviewed). I wish the rest of that study wasn’t locked behind a paywall, 'cause I’m curious about the details now. I wanna know what they mean by “some aspect.” However, it’s disingenuous/misleading to say that furries are attracted to animals, as that’s zoophilia and is on the same level as pedophilia. Grouping the two together like that is like “MAPs” claiming they’re part of the LGBT. My general experience with furries is that the animal fuckers are treated on the same level as the Nazi furs.

              Whenever this kind of thing comes up, though, I can’t help but think about the internet outrage from when they made Lola Bunny’s boobs smaller in the new Space Jam movie and wonder how many of those people are the same people who call furries gross, lmao.

            • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Hey, is there some reason you changed the phrase that the researchers very consistently used, which was anthropomorphic animals, which they defined in the very first sentence as being like Bugs Bunny? You get how that is not the same as looking at a living rabbit and feeling sexual arousal, right?

              I guess “most furries want to fuck characters like Bugs Bunny!!” was just obvious shit everyone already knew.

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                  I did read your comment, which if you reread it yourself you might notice contains the sentence “Incorrect, most furries are attracted to animals” and no further clarification.

                  If you were trying to get across that you were not talking about fucking animals when you said “most furries are attracted to animals” and linked to a study about sexual attraction in furries you might want to edit that in, because it doesn’t actually say anything like that right now.

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      Idk man that doesn’t quite sound like hate to me. More of a sting dislike. I think the point still stands.