The senator said he has "a hard time understanding" why Trump's legal issues don't "seem to be moving the needle" with more voters.

The senator said he has “a hard time understanding” why Trump’s legal issues don’t “seem to be moving the needle” with more voters.

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) called out the majority of Iowa Republican caucus voters who baselessly believe that President Joe Biden did not win the 2020 election legitimately.

“I think a lot of people in this country are out of touch with reality and will accept anything Donald Trump tells them,” Romney, who announced in September that he is not seeking reelection, told CNN journalist Manu Raju on Wednesday.

About 65% of Iowa caucusgoers said they believe former President Donald Trump’s lie that the 2020 election was “stolen” from him, according to entrance poll data.

  • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    11 months ago

    It predates Atwater. We should acknowledge the fact that Republicans planned a coup around the same time as Hitler’s beer hall putch. FDR then cut a deal with the fascist Republicans to temporarily pass his new deal policies. In exchange for not prosecuting and locking them up.

    We should also acknowledge the fact that the man most likely to have been tapped as their fascist dictator had. His son and grandson go on to be president of the United States. Some of the most damaging ones

    That isn’t to downplay Atwater and his contemporaries. They managed the merger of the two most evil groups in modern American history. After the Democratic party purged itself. The fact is the Republican party has been anti-democratic and authoritarian since nearly the start of the 20th century.

    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
      1·
      11 months ago

      We should acknowledge the fact that Republicans planned a coup around the same time as Hitler’s beer hall putch. FDR then cut a deal with the fascist Republicans to temporarily pass his new deal policies. In exchange for not prosecuting and locking them up.

      Are you talking about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot ? I didn’t know much about this until I looked it up.

      • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        Yes. It is some of the most sus stuff in US history. That gets glossed over so quick and easy. Typically with history teachers, etc. Never even helping to make people make basic connections surrounding it. It’s just a plot by some businesses that happened. The end. Sketchy as hell That we know it happened. And supposedly there was damning evidence. But we don’t know what any of that evidence was or who all it implicated. Talk about your actual deep state.

    • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
      21·
      11 months ago

      We should acknowledge the fact that Republicans planned a coup around the same time as Hitler’s beer hall putch.

      Do you have a link on that, that someone can read up on?

        • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
          21·
          11 months ago

          Read more history:

          That was a wild read, especially seen through the lens of current events.

          One part of it that caught my eye was this…

          testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans’ organization

          Really gave off some Starship Troopers novel vibes.

      • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        Unfortunately, I’m not aware of anything good that lays this out specifically… Or anything truly authoritative. But do a deep dive on the business plot AKA the Wall Street putch.

        The fact there isn’t a lot of documentation about it is almost as damning as if there was. So yes this gets a bit into conspiracy theory territory. But it is conspiracy theory well-backed by history and rationality.

        Official accounts tend to only name the person that contacted to enlist Butler. Gerald MacGuire. Who promised Butler half a million troops to march on Washington as well as large financial backing. All to stop Roosevelt and his new deal.

        There were hearings held on it. Investigations even. The New York Times a long with much US media at the time initially called it a “gigantic hoax”. That characterization later turned to “alarmingly true” and that “definite proof had been found that the much publicized Fascist march on Washington”

        So then, if this was alarmingly true. And definitive proof had been found. Who were these 500,00 troops? Who were these financial backers? Why don’t we know? Why was no one really punished? Why is this so sketchy, and why have people generally been okay with this?

        What we do know, is that the Republican party was traditionally the party of industrialists and corporations. And that many of the owners of industry and corporations sympathized with the Nazis. IBM for instance, helping the Nazis create a computerized system to track Jews on way to slaughter. And Dow chemical helped them to create the gas to kill them with. We know for a fact that Republicans have gnashed their teeth, moaning about The new deal for the last century. As well as the fact that despite not knowing the names. A number of Republican senators were implicated.

        The most rational explanation I’ve seen for it. Happens to coincide with FDR’s New deal. Basically claiming that in return for not expelling, prosecuting, or punishing those involved. They had to help pass his new deal package.

        There’s a lot going on behind the scenes in US government that rarely gets documented and publicized. That FDR used leverage to get the new deal passed seems supremely believable. And what better leverage than “We know you’re a fascist and a traitor. And we could prove it”. The package secured his legacy. In many ways it’s a very rational, and in the short term, beneficial exchange. The long term effects of letting fascism fester unpunished however. I think all of us are well versed in these days.