Think of this. One daughter gets A grades in english, but C grades in maths. The other daughter, it’s inverted.
What do you call the action of putting their grades together like this, without the sentences you put after it? (this is the most important question of this comment).
You can’t… Actually, you SHOULDN’T compare them. Morally.
Is your objection to comparing apples and oranges also a moral one? Or are apples and oranges incomparable in a different way than a child who gets all Cs and a child who gets all As?
(Or is a child who gets all Cs comparable to a child who gets all As in a way a child who gets one C and one A is not comparable to a child who gets one A and one C? Because in that case you’re arguing in bad faith.)
And if you believe it is possible but immoral to compare apples and oranges, why?
Like, if you had two daughters who took the same math test, you would be unable to compare how they did without finding fault with the one that “did worse”?
Also, “did worse” is objective when it comes to maths tests. You get graded, and the answers are absolute.
So you are comfortable saying someone who can’t read English well and got a C did worse at a math test than someone with dyslexia who got a B than who has a private tutor who got an A than someone who cheated on the test who got an A+?
So you claim it is possible and morally upstanding to say some of these people did worse than others, but that this is not an act of comparing those people, which would be immoral and perhaps incongruous?
Or are you saying it is moral to compare people when it is at least as objective as comparing written test results between a dyslexic kid and a kid with a private tutor?
Or do you perceive me reminding you of possible differences between students as unfair and do you hold people should assume people are comparable for “objective” things like a math test unless they are explicitly validated exceptions? (which is also a position I’ve seen people de facto hold).
I am going to tear apart the insinuation that “it has faults” mean “I love it less.” My favourite D&D movie is the second one, which most people are unaware even exists. I can enjoy a flawed movie while recognising its flaws. Why would my love for my children be dependant on a maths test?
Alright, fair, that’s on me, I assumed that because you were conflating comparison with critique and judgment you were also conflating it with more in a way I’ve seen people do. And I assumed you were NT because you were arguing against an autistic intepretation, which is also bad.
First off, the answer to your “most important question” is that they are statements. Plain and neutral statements of fact. Anything else you think they are reflects on you.
Second, a maths test is written in the universal language of numbers, so how well you speak English should matter very little. This is a minor point, but it bugs me, so I put it in here for completion sake.
Third, a maths test result is an objective score. Whatever reasons you have for why you got a lower score doesn’t change the fact you got a lower score.
Fourth, if you’re dyslexic, then that would justify getting a lower score. So you shouldn’t compare yourself to a neurotypical person based on your score. You’re both working to different standards.
Fifth, the moral statement was because you suggested love for a child depended on a maths test. That’s fucked up. But the fruits and the children are both things you shouldn’t compare, and that should be your take away.
Sixth, you are also arguing against an autistic interpretation. Being autistic doesn’t mean it’s bad to argue against you. Don’t use neurodivergence as a shield. You do us all a disservice.
What do you call the action of putting their grades together like this, without the sentences you put after it? (this is the most important question of this comment).
Why are you stuck on “cannot” when the point of the idiom is about the (repeat pun) fruitlessness of comparing things by inappropriate standards?
You clearly can come up with a way to score a math test by the standards of an art class, but that is not typically a useful endeavor.
What do you call the action of putting their grades together like this, without the sentences you put after it? (this is the most important question of this comment).
Is your objection to comparing apples and oranges also a moral one? Or are apples and oranges incomparable in a different way than a child who gets all Cs and a child who gets all As?
(Or is a child who gets all Cs comparable to a child who gets all As in a way a child who gets one C and one A is not comparable to a child who gets one A and one C? Because in that case you’re arguing in bad faith.)
And if you believe it is possible but immoral to compare apples and oranges, why?
So you are comfortable saying someone who can’t read English well and got a C did worse at a math test than someone with dyslexia who got a B than who has a private tutor who got an A than someone who cheated on the test who got an A+?
So you claim it is possible and morally upstanding to say some of these people did worse than others, but that this is not an act of comparing those people, which would be immoral and perhaps incongruous?
Or are you saying it is moral to compare people when it is at least as objective as comparing written test results between a dyslexic kid and a kid with a private tutor?
Or do you perceive me reminding you of possible differences between students as unfair and do you hold people should assume people are comparable for “objective” things like a math test unless they are explicitly validated exceptions? (which is also a position I’ve seen people de facto hold).
Alright, fair, that’s on me, I assumed that because you were conflating comparison with critique and judgment you were also conflating it with more in a way I’ve seen people do. And I assumed you were NT because you were arguing against an autistic intepretation, which is also bad.
First off, the answer to your “most important question” is that they are statements. Plain and neutral statements of fact. Anything else you think they are reflects on you.
Second, a maths test is written in the universal language of numbers, so how well you speak English should matter very little. This is a minor point, but it bugs me, so I put it in here for completion sake.
Third, a maths test result is an objective score. Whatever reasons you have for why you got a lower score doesn’t change the fact you got a lower score.
Fourth, if you’re dyslexic, then that would justify getting a lower score. So you shouldn’t compare yourself to a neurotypical person based on your score. You’re both working to different standards.
Fifth, the moral statement was because you suggested love for a child depended on a maths test. That’s fucked up. But the fruits and the children are both things you shouldn’t compare, and that should be your take away.
Sixth, you are also arguing against an autistic interpretation. Being autistic doesn’t mean it’s bad to argue against you. Don’t use neurodivergence as a shield. You do us all a disservice.
I’m disengaging. You should do the same.
Why are you stuck on “cannot” when the point of the idiom is about the (repeat pun) fruitlessness of comparing things by inappropriate standards?
You clearly can come up with a way to score a math test by the standards of an art class, but that is not typically a useful endeavor.