• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    14 hours ago

    In 1897, they built the first music synthesizer. It worked, but it took up the basement of an entire city-block sized building, so it was essentially useless. After a few decades of development, it could fit in a suitcase, and be carried around.

    Data Centers are like that 1897 synthesizer. Sure, it works, but at what cost? It clearly isn’t ready for prime time. Go back to the drawing board, tweak the problems, including regulations, and maybe in a couple of decades, we take another run at the new and improved version.

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      4 hours ago

      It’s not even that it isn’t ‘ready for prime time’, largely to the extent it works, it works with not so crazy requirements.

      The problem is that they don’t settle for what it is, they try to overextend it. In software development for example, in the cases where it works at all, you are 95% of the possible successes within 3 or 4 iterations. Problem is they demand that extra 5% which takes an order of magnitude more. Note that ‘100%’ here is the max success possible with AI, not 100% success in general, that number varies greatly with context. So it might be in a certain scenario more like going from 19% AI curated to 20% AI curated, at huge incremental expense.

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      Data Centers are like that 1897 synthesizer. Sure, it works, but at what cost? It clearly isn’t ready for prime time. Go back to the drawing board, tweak the problems, including regulations, and maybe in a couple of decades, we take another run at the new and improved version.

      The issue with AI is not a technical or development problem. It’s not even a regulation problem. It’s a capitalism problem. Infinite growth will still be as unscalable in a hundred years as it is now no matter how good and mature the tech is.

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        7 hours ago

        There are also hard mathematical limits stalling AI growth. Frontier models haven’t improved in like a year despite being fed money by basically the entire global economy. Diminishing returns on steroids basically. They’re already at the limit of what they can make, and going further gives a much smaller improvement in the model, and now I hear there might not be enough human written material on the internet to train them.

        It also looks like hallucinations are inherent to LLMs and you can’t get rid of them. It’s a side effect of the model. What commercial applications are there then, if you can’t guarantee the output? It’s worse than a human for most things since it doesn’t know truth from lie and will confidently say both as if they’re fact. It also looks like prompt injection isn’t something you can fully guard against either.

        What’s the value proposition when you can’t trust the output and the model might give a massive refund or discount to a customer and the courts rule the AI speaks on behalf of your company?

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          Haven’t been improved in a year? By what metric are you basing that assertion?

          IP theft is probably the main one I’ll concede the point on - that damage was done long ago so they haven’t “improved” on it.

          But whether it’s reasoning or generation or building things… that’s a crazy take. Unless you consider them like a chatbot companion? I wouldn’t really know much on that front, I’ll concede.

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          I feel like calling „hallucinations“ a side effect isn’t really describing the issue properly. They’re not a side effect, nor are they hallucinations. It implied that there’s somehow something that distinguishes „correct“ output from „incorrect“. There isn’t, it’s all just output. The output resembling actual factual reality is statistical chance.

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          It’s worse than a human for most things since it doesn’t know truth from lie and will confidently say both as if they’re fact

          It works for most executives and sales folks.

          Baseless confidence is the recipe for business success, which is why they love these AI chatbots.

          Bigger problem for the business leaders is how sycophantic they want to be to the user. If an insurance company used it for claims, it might actually approve a claim, and that would be unforgivable for them.

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            4 hours ago

            If we just vaporize the future of everyone under 60 we can make our auto correct engine 3% less likely to lie out of its ass 🤡

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      In 1897, they built the first music synthesizer. It worked, but it took up the basement of an entire city-block sized building, so it was essentially useless. After a few decades of development, it could fit in a suitcase, and be carried around.

      As per the 1890s, it probably also had to be lubricated with orphaned child blood.