I’m American so I have never followed Eurovision. I always assumed it was European only. Are there many none European countries that participate? The USA doesn’t right?
Israel has been since 1973 because their national broadcaster is part of the European Broadcasting Union.
Australia has had a huge cult following and was initially only allowed to join for a one-off year in 2015, but because of the success they’ve been allowed to take part every year since.
The whole Mediterranean is part of the EBU, at least Lebanon and Morocco are even founding members – the list isn’t easy to read because it lists when a broadcaster joined, not when the country first joined with any broadcaster.
The Arab nations boycott the ESC though because Israel participates. So, please, if you suspend Israel do it early enough so that those states have an opportunity to do a national selection.
The US doesn’t participate but a couple of years ago NBC bought the rights and tried to mount an “American Song Contest”. It didn’t work all that well because it was hamstrung by the rigid structure of American network TV. The ESC works (in part) because it is three nights only and they tried to make an entire season of television.
Israel’s participation in Eurovision is part of a deliberate effort to brand the country as essentially European. This is desirable for reasons relating to white supremacy and all the genocides European countries got away with scot-free
If you think that Mediterranean countries aren’t essentially European I don’t know what to tell you either. And that’s before considering the heavily Ashkenazi influence over at least early Israel. One of the EU’s official languages even is Semitic.
Is this some bot hallucinating? Israel is a white supremacist settler colony founded by Europeans. Maybe colonialism is essentially European, but I’d like to believe we moved past that.
Apart from that, most of Turkey and the entire Levant are in Asia. Other Mediterranean countries are in North Africa. Tell me who in their right mind would say that Syria or Egypt are essentially European?
Finally, there is no language called ‘Semitic‘, it is a language family. No Semitic language is an official EU language. The EU doesn’t even have anything to do with Eurovision.
I don’t know where to even start. Maybe realise that the sea is literally called “middle of the earth”? That water is a highway, not a barrier? Do I have to bring music into this?
Then: Settler colonialist, yes, completely fair. Ethnostate, at least under right-wing governments, also yes. But “white supremacist”? Would a white supremacist state go to lengths to get black Jews into the country?
Look I’m all for bringing people together and if you ask me, there should be no borders and nations should just exist for administrative purposes. But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
Regarding racism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiOJ6lrX0zY this was more than 10 years ago, it got only worse till then. Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. They serve a purpose, that is making sure Palestinians don’t outnumber Israeli Jews. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews. Just look e.g. at the list of prime ministers to confirm that. I get your point though, we may call it as well Ashkenazi supremacist for that matter. But even if Palestinians were gone, black Jews would be next in line.
But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
And noone ever claimed so. But if you think that Egyptians would be somehow be ashamed of their Macedonian Pharaos or think that Cleopatra was black you’d also be sorely mistaken. There is a shared cultural heritage in the Mediterranean that’s in many older and deeper than that between say Italy and Germany, divided by pretty much unpassable alps.
Note, for the record, it says “African non-Jews”, not “black people”. The primary distinction for Israeli rightoids is always Jew vs. non-Jew, not colour of skin or something, that’s incidental. If there were a sizeable number of, say, Russian non-Jews in Israel they’d want them gone just as much.
Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
They are the worst-educated group of all. Ashkenazi are the best-educated. Doesn’t mean that Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against when it comes to access to education or such, the disparity is due to their different countries of origin having vastly differing educational levels.
When it comes to “pays barely enough to survive”, well, blame Likud and their pudding prices. Right-wing governments were never good at lowering effects of socio-economic background.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews.
Mediterranean and Middle-East Jews nearly outnumber Jews of European origin in Israel, and Ashkenazi are only a subsection of European Jews. The current alpha asshat (Ben Gvir) has roots in Iraq. If you look at polls then Ashkenazi are significantly more liberal on average than other groups, which shouldn’t be surprising given that the exodus from the Muslim world wasn’t exactly a voluntary affair, is the most recent, and the conflict is still ongoing. Jigal Amir has Lebanese roots. Easy for people like them to have a personal axe to grind while Ashkenazi can see how much Europe changed. There’s also a strong Socdem current among Ashkenazi, inherited from Europe and our labour struggles here which just didn’t happen like that in the Arab states, Jews were a strong component of it (which is also why the Nazis came up with the term “Judeo-Bolshevism”, denigrating Socialists as Jews and Jews as Socialists in the same term). Random example: Rosa Luxemburg was a Jew (at least by ancestry and external perception).
OTOH yes fucks like the Stern Gang definitely were also Europeans, arriving at the same time as the Labour Zionists. What I’m saying is that the population has shifted quite a bit since then, overall diminishing direct European influence.
I know I know the usual “anti-colonial” narrative of “Europeans are responsible for everything bad in the world” is an easy “historical” extension of the usual “the CIA is responsible for everything bad in the world” narrative but, face it, we don’t have a monopoly on being assholes. That would be a rather racist claim I’d say. Other people are just as capable of that.
I’m American so I have never followed Eurovision. I always assumed it was European only. Are there many none European countries that participate? The USA doesn’t right?
Israel and Australia participate.
Israel has been since 1973 because their national broadcaster is part of the European Broadcasting Union.
Australia has had a huge cult following and was initially only allowed to join for a one-off year in 2015, but because of the success they’ve been allowed to take part every year since.
Au has a lot of immigrants from the EU - but also our international TV station SBS is part of the EU broadcast union
The whole Mediterranean is part of the EBU, at least Lebanon and Morocco are even founding members – the list isn’t easy to read because it lists when a broadcaster joined, not when the country first joined with any broadcaster.
The Arab nations boycott the ESC though because Israel participates. So, please, if you suspend Israel do it early enough so that those states have an opportunity to do a national selection.
Au has a lot of immigrants from the EU - but also our international TV station SBS is part of the EU broadcast union
The Eurovision Song Contest is organized by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) an organization set up to regulate TV tech. In short they exist to make sure a TV bought in Spain also works in Sweden. As such the EBU also grants full membership to countries that are not part of Europe but have strong economic ties with the continent and therefore are part of the European Broadcasting Area. That’s how we got Israel in the contest. Australia also competes because (a) they are an associate member (b) they have an long history of airing the contest even before they competed © they spend a large sum of money every year to make the EBU forget where exactly Australia is located.
The US doesn’t participate but a couple of years ago NBC bought the rights and tried to mount an “American Song Contest”. It didn’t work all that well because it was hamstrung by the rigid structure of American network TV. The ESC works (in part) because it is three nights only and they tried to make an entire season of television.
Australia is in the contest. Do what you want with that info.
Israel’s participation in Eurovision is part of a deliberate effort to brand the country as essentially European. This is desirable for reasons relating to white supremacy and all the genocides European countries got away with scot-free
If you think that Mediterranean countries aren’t essentially European I don’t know what to tell you either. And that’s before considering the heavily Ashkenazi influence over at least early Israel. One of the EU’s official languages even is Semitic.
Is this some bot hallucinating? Israel is a white supremacist settler colony founded by Europeans. Maybe colonialism is essentially European, but I’d like to believe we moved past that.
Apart from that, most of Turkey and the entire Levant are in Asia. Other Mediterranean countries are in North Africa. Tell me who in their right mind would say that Syria or Egypt are essentially European?
Finally, there is no language called ‘Semitic‘, it is a language family.
No Semitic language is an official EU language.The EU doesn’t even have anything to do with Eurovision.Maltese
Indeed! Maybe I’m the bot
I don’t know where to even start. Maybe realise that the sea is literally called “middle of the earth”? That water is a highway, not a barrier? Do I have to bring music into this?
Then: Settler colonialist, yes, completely fair. Ethnostate, at least under right-wing governments, also yes. But “white supremacist”? Would a white supremacist state go to lengths to get black Jews into the country?
Look I’m all for bringing people together and if you ask me, there should be no borders and nations should just exist for administrative purposes. But that doesn’t mean that e.g. an Arab in Egypt would self-identify as European.
Regarding racism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiOJ6lrX0zY this was more than 10 years ago, it got only worse till then. Ethiopian Jews are at the bottom of society, many of them live in the slums of Tel Aviv. They serve a purpose, that is making sure Palestinians don’t outnumber Israeli Jews. Also doing shitty jobs that no one else wants to do & that pay barely enough to survive.
Israel is made by and for Ashkenazi Jews. Just look e.g. at the list of prime ministers to confirm that. I get your point though, we may call it as well Ashkenazi supremacist for that matter. But even if Palestinians were gone, black Jews would be next in line.
And noone ever claimed so. But if you think that Egyptians would be somehow be ashamed of their Macedonian Pharaos or think that Cleopatra was black you’d also be sorely mistaken. There is a shared cultural heritage in the Mediterranean that’s in many older and deeper than that between say Italy and Germany, divided by pretty much unpassable alps.
Note, for the record, it says “African non-Jews”, not “black people”. The primary distinction for Israeli rightoids is always Jew vs. non-Jew, not colour of skin or something, that’s incidental. If there were a sizeable number of, say, Russian non-Jews in Israel they’d want them gone just as much.
They are the worst-educated group of all. Ashkenazi are the best-educated. Doesn’t mean that Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against when it comes to access to education or such, the disparity is due to their different countries of origin having vastly differing educational levels.
When it comes to “pays barely enough to survive”, well, blame Likud and their pudding prices. Right-wing governments were never good at lowering effects of socio-economic background.
Mediterranean and Middle-East Jews nearly outnumber Jews of European origin in Israel, and Ashkenazi are only a subsection of European Jews. The current alpha asshat (Ben Gvir) has roots in Iraq. If you look at polls then Ashkenazi are significantly more liberal on average than other groups, which shouldn’t be surprising given that the exodus from the Muslim world wasn’t exactly a voluntary affair, is the most recent, and the conflict is still ongoing. Jigal Amir has Lebanese roots. Easy for people like them to have a personal axe to grind while Ashkenazi can see how much Europe changed. There’s also a strong Socdem current among Ashkenazi, inherited from Europe and our labour struggles here which just didn’t happen like that in the Arab states, Jews were a strong component of it (which is also why the Nazis came up with the term “Judeo-Bolshevism”, denigrating Socialists as Jews and Jews as Socialists in the same term). Random example: Rosa Luxemburg was a Jew (at least by ancestry and external perception).
OTOH yes fucks like the Stern Gang definitely were also Europeans, arriving at the same time as the Labour Zionists. What I’m saying is that the population has shifted quite a bit since then, overall diminishing direct European influence.
I know I know the usual “anti-colonial” narrative of “Europeans are responsible for everything bad in the world” is an easy “historical” extension of the usual “the CIA is responsible for everything bad in the world” narrative but, face it, we don’t have a monopoly on being assholes. That would be a rather racist claim I’d say. Other people are just as capable of that.
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Do I have to bring music into this
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