The whole furry thing is creepy as hell. It’s weird. Wanting to have sex with anthropomorphized animals is not a thing that should be normalized.
And it’s even creepier when they add things like “kitten” or showing anthropomorphized animal kids.
And thank you to Unruffled [they/them] / Flatworm7591 @lemmy.dbzer0.com for this sane and reasonable response.
And thanks to recursive_recursion who seems to be an alt of Flatworm for continuing that sane and reasonable response. Note that in over 1,400 comments here I’ve never once said a single word against trans people. Not once.
It really bothers me when people lie about racism. So many people really do experience it so much in life, and lying using false racism accusations as a sword and shield to make other people look bad and make themselves look like the victim is demeaning to every real instance people suffer.
Hopefully one day this person realizes that lying about transphobia for the same reasons does the same thing.
Mm that’s a good point on the wearable sex toys. I’ll make negative assumptions about people wearing those and knowingly involving non-consenting people in the kink though. Even if the other people are unaware. That’s creepy and borders on rape-like tendencies.
It’s directly involving non consenting, unaware, people in their sexual fetish. It’s definitely creepy and not okay.
Yeah that’s the line for me with any kink or fetish. You can’t involve others without their consent and still be morally correct.
I don’t think this actually is the line though, take masturbation for example, most folk masturbate to other people they know, technically this is involving others in a sexual way without consent but it’s considered completely ok and normal because ultimately you’re not doing anything TO them.
Same with wearing a buttplug in public, is it kinda strange? Yeah, sure, you can even say it’s offputting and I would at least in some cases agree, but on a moral level you’re not doing anything TO anyone, that’s in my eyes the real line, if they don’t know and have no way of knowing then it’s not really causing harm.
Compare it to say flashing strangers in public, now you’re doing something TO people, without consent and that is bad.
Hmm I like your point about masturbation. To narrow in on where my personal line is: the physically present part. I do think if one is wearing a sex toy in public with the purpose of getting the thrill of interacting with people without consent it isn’t morally ok. Intention matters.
Now that I know fur suits that people wear in public are not used sexually (or at least that’s what I’ve been told here), my opinion on the public suit wearing has shifted a little to a more positive one.
I know there’s an argument in there that what people don’t know won’t hurt them, but I disagree. It hurts the offender as well as the subjects when leaning into enjoying using people without consent.
So does masturbation usually. I think you need a more detailed explanation of what actually makes a thing wrong and where that line is.
No, it doesn’t. There’s a huge distinction between the natural human act of masturbation possibly imagining a person in your head but not involving them in any way in reality, and secretly masturbating while sitting next to others in public and very literally involving them in your fetish.
On a physical level sure, but on a moral level I’d be interested to hear your reasoning. I don’t even really have a horse in this race since it’s not something I do or have any interest in doing but it seems pretty obvious that this doesn’t really harm anyone, you’re not forcing anyone to do anything, you’re not doing anything TO anyone, and unless they take your clothes off they won’t know,
masturbation: getting off while thinking about someone in another room this:getting off while thinking about someone in the same room
if the only difference is proximity then what even is your argument considering proximity has no moral dimension?
Not all people are even capable of seeing a mental image of another person, it’s not a real thing but an aspect of the mind and memory. It is by it’s very nature completely different from physically involving another person in your fetish without their knowledge or consent.