The whole furry thing is creepy as hell. It’s weird. Wanting to have sex with anthropomorphized animals is not a thing that should be normalized.
And it’s even creepier when they add things like “kitten” or showing anthropomorphized animal kids.
And thank you to Unruffled [they/them] / Flatworm7591 @lemmy.dbzer0.com for this sane and reasonable response.
And thanks to recursive_recursion who seems to be an alt of Flatworm for continuing that sane and reasonable response. Note that in over 1,400 comments here I’ve never once said a single word against trans people. Not once.
It really bothers me when people lie about racism. So many people really do experience it so much in life, and lying using false racism accusations as a sword and shield to make other people look bad and make themselves look like the victim is demeaning to every real instance people suffer.
Hopefully one day this person realizes that lying about transphobia for the same reasons does the same thing.
Your argument is now to insist that that I’m ‘too woke’. Please, just step back and listen to yourself for a moment. You’re better than this, and you know these arguments are in any other context bullshit. Why is there an exception when you’re the one sincerely saying these horrible things?
You’re taking the exact same rhetoric they use against queers, blacks, trans…es, and just turning it onto a group of people you don’t like. I’m not arguing that this could be extrapolated to you being bigoted against those people, I’m saying that you are literally using the same phrases as they use, just for a different group of people that you personally don’t like.
Are they doing that, though? Because I’m pretty sure you’re just equating wearing a fursuit to be the same as masturbating in public to shore up your argument.
Sorry, you edited this bit in: “Won’t someone think of the children!?!” is a tired trope too. “What if children see the pride parade, is that acceptable? What if some man claims they’re trans so they can sneak into the women’s bathroom and peep on your kid while they jerk off in a stall!!” As has been repeatedly explained in this thread, there’s a vast difference between anthro pornography and actual beastiality, much as there’s a difference between lolicon and CSAM.
Sorry, no. I’m never going to say that drawn or CGI images of kids having sex is alright. It’s not. I don’t care that they’re not real kids, I don’t care that they’re not real animals. It’s creepy and depicting something that’s very not alright.
You understand that the reason we have protected groups is because it’s not considered wrong to ever dislike anything any group of people does, right?
There are tons of things that people do that are considered bad, wrong, creepy, or weird. There are an awful lot of humans, so many of those things have many people who enjoy doing those creepy, wrong things. Just because a group of people likes doing a thing doesn’t mean it’s evil intolerance to say that thing creeps you the fuck out. That’s the reason I gave you the examples.
If there were a large group of people who decided they liked to shit their pants, reach their hands down and scoop some up and sit eating it in public, that would be weird and creepy and fucked up. Saying you found it to be that would not be similar to saying you hate Jews.
I hate when people talk on speakerphone or listen to tiktok or whatever they’re doing at full volume in public. A sadly large number of people seem to like doing that. I am intolerant of that thing, because it is annoying. That does not mean I hate black people.
… I’m sorry, your argument is now “it’s acceptable to be racist”?
You really might want to rephrase this because I can’t figure out an interpretation of that that’s more flattering for you. This is “I’m entitled to my opinion, librul” being taken to a spectacular extreme, and I’m really hoping it’s just poorly said and not the mask off moment it feels like.
Can you point to the words that you’re interpreting as me saying it’s ok to be racist?
I did, it’s that section I quoted - wherein you put forward the idea that we have protected groups (queers, blacks, women, etc) because it’s not considered wrong to dislike any [protected] group of people because of what they do. Implying that we have protected groups because it’s acceptable to be racist/sexist/homophobic, and by extension what you’re doing is also acceptable.
You don’t see the incredibly problematic comparison you’ve just made?
No, you’re misunderstanding.
The reason we have protected groups as opposed to simply saying that voicing any dislike of anything that any group of people does is always wrong is because it’s not always wrong.
… You’re saying we have to protect women/blacks/queers/etc. from people because sometimes those sexists/racists/bigots/etc. dislike an entire group for totally valid reasons.
No, I’m not saying that. I said that the reason we protect certain groups and don’t use those characteristics against them instead of simply saying it’s always wrong to use anything anyone does as a bad thing is because people do bad things so it’s not always wrong.
Saying someone shouldn’t be black in public? Not alright.
Saying someone shouldn’t be walking around in public in a costume made entirely of sex toys? Accurate.
Saying someone shouldn’t be gay in public? Not alright.
Saying someone shouldn’t be having gay sex in a crowded public park? Accurate.
Saying you hate everyone who has a certain religion? Not alright.
Saying you hate people who talk on the speaker phone at full volume while sitting waiting to be called at the DMV? Good point.
No, that’s what you were saying. That’s why I suggested you rephrase it, because what you’re saying is exactly what I presented and I didn’t think that was representative of your real opinions.
Anyways, that’s a great illustration of the problem:
Saying all black people are criminals? Not alright
Saying a black person is a criminal? Accurate (er… maybe)
Saying all [group] are [anything]? Not alright
Saying all furries are sex perverts walking around in a suit ‘made entirely of sextoys’? no, wait, that one is okay! (and again, something you made up)
Are you starting to see the issue here? You’re claiming that tarring all members of a group with the same brush is wrong, but then you go on to do exactly that because… I guess it’s okay when you do it? Presumably because you know damn well you’re not a bad person, and those creepy weirdos, well you just don’t like them. Sex perverts, the lot of them.
And I can see you’re not a bad person - we have six months of records that show you’re either a pretty damn decent person or one of the best actors I’ve found on here. So why are you so willing to barter away your values on this one issue, when I can fairly confidently conclude you’d never defend bullshit like this if it were being said about any other group of people?