What’s funny about your bad equivalency is that pirating is treating the people who created the content as slaves since you’re enjoying the fruit of their labour without compensating them.
This user you interacted with here, went on to describe this conversation as you “abusing” and “manipulating” them. They claimed that you were a troll, and started a huge thread in the Fediverse community about expanding ban powers and purging the world of people they disagree with.
My god it’s a discussion thread on the internet, with two people disagreeing. This is what they consider trolling and abuse now.
Ok, realistically, how many pirates turn around and send money to the creators, making sure that all the people involved in the creation of the content are compensated for their work?
You don’t want to admit it but in the end you’re still taking money from the creators and if everyone was doing that then no one would create content.
I hope pirates are happy that some people keep paying for shit.
You’re saying there are better ways to compensate the creators, I’m saying no pirates do it, especially not in a way that would make them legally allowed to have a copy of the creators’ work.
If you don’t want to buy a CD because you don’t want the record label to profit from your purchase and you instead buy a t-shirt and go see a show, it doesn’t give you the right to have a digital copy of the artist’s songs. What you bought is the right to see a show and to own a t-shirt and downloading a copy of their album is still taking money from the artists and all the people that worked on it.
Referencing one point of my many arguments is not a discussion.
„Selling“ limited licences should be illegal but isnt. Legal does (evidently) not mean morally or otherwise okay. Supporting artists does not mean buying bad products, you cant prove that no pirates buy merch or use alternative methods to support creators, therefore I‘ll just ignore your statement.
You were the one trying to derail the topic to a cd or movie, which is not what I said.
`And another one. There are a lot more and better ways to compensate an artist than giving money to record companies.
Besides that, I‘m not saying dont buy artistic work, I‘m saying please pirate products of companies that try to bullshit their customers.`
I’m refuting the first part (which is your main argument because the second part is just another way to say the exact same thing) and my rebuttal also covers your second point (you’re punish the creators that have nothing to do with the company that’s doing bullshit).
You can’t prove that pirates do compensate the creators either so your argument is moot if mine is. The only way to legally have the creators content on hand is but purchasing it (license or full ownership), no other form of compensation allows you to have those files or compensates ALL the people involved.
As for derailing the conversation, you’re the first one who mentioned artists and compensating them in other ways, which, if you can be honest for 30 seconds, isn’t something that exists in the video game world.
In the end, it’s on you to just not play games that are distributed in a way that makes you reliant on a third party. Just because you’re mad it doesn’t make it ok to enjoy the work of the people who created the games that are distributed in a way you disagree with without compensating them.
Many words for something you could have said in three sentences.
You obviously dont know how to prove something. I would have to prove someone has pirated something (if thats how we define pirate) and then prove they have done whatever to compensate the creator, e.g. buy merch, subscribe on patreon or otherwise send them money.
And no, it is not my main argument. My main argument was that calling a limited license „buying“ or „owning“ is manipulative and should be illegal, therefore pirating products from a company using these tactics is ok.
For fuck’s sake, what have YOU proven so far? You’re the one who brought up “alternative compensations”, yet you can’t prove that’s something that happens or that it makes you legally entitled to own the media created by the people you’re compensating in this alternative way.
Pirating is only ok if you decide to ignore the fact that the creators have a right to make a living. If you think they don’t then you’re no better than a slaver as you’re talking their work and enjoying it while they’re left without any form of compensation in return. The responsibility is on your as a consumer to say “This product is distributed in a way I disagree with therefore I will do without it.” and you can contact the creators/publisher to tell them how you feel. The second you open your eyes and see the human element you have no moral ground to stand on and from the get go you already know you don’t have any legal ground to stand on either.
In the end you’re just treating people in a way you would never accept to get treated yourself.
Considering that this account has never before interacted with me and immediately went there, they either used an alt or have severe issues with impulse control and abusive behavior.
What do you call it if you work to create something for someone and that person decides that what you created is theirs for free and you don’t have a say in the matter?
Because that’s exactly what slavery is and that’s exactly what pirates do.
If you disagree you should mention it to your boss because I’m sure they would be very happy to know that!
What’s funny about your bad equivalency is that pirating is treating the people who created the content as slaves since you’re enjoying the fruit of their labour without compensating them.
This user you interacted with here, went on to describe this conversation as you “abusing” and “manipulating” them. They claimed that you were a troll, and started a huge thread in the Fediverse community about expanding ban powers and purging the world of people they disagree with.
My god it’s a discussion thread on the internet, with two people disagreeing. This is what they consider trolling and abuse now.
Look at how they responded to you disagreeing with them: https://lemmy.giftedmc.com/post/204629
Wow…
And another one. There are a lot more and better ways to compensate an artist than giving money to record companies.
Besides that, I‘m not saying dont buy artistic work, I‘m saying please pirate products of companies that try to bullshit their customers.
Ok, realistically, how many pirates turn around and send money to the creators, making sure that all the people involved in the creation of the content are compensated for their work?
You don’t want to admit it but in the end you’re still taking money from the creators and if everyone was doing that then no one would create content.
I hope pirates are happy that some people keep paying for shit.
You‘re not answering my comment but repeating a set of beliefs. If you want to discuss stuff, feel free to. Otherwise kindly move along.
You’re saying there are better ways to compensate the creators, I’m saying no pirates do it, especially not in a way that would make them legally allowed to have a copy of the creators’ work.
If you don’t want to buy a CD because you don’t want the record label to profit from your purchase and you instead buy a t-shirt and go see a show, it doesn’t give you the right to have a digital copy of the artist’s songs. What you bought is the right to see a show and to own a t-shirt and downloading a copy of their album is still taking money from the artists and all the people that worked on it.
Referencing one point of my many arguments is not a discussion.
„Selling“ limited licences should be illegal but isnt. Legal does (evidently) not mean morally or otherwise okay. Supporting artists does not mean buying bad products, you cant prove that no pirates buy merch or use alternative methods to support creators, therefore I‘ll just ignore your statement.
You were the one trying to derail the topic to a cd or movie, which is not what I said.
Here’s your whole argument:
`And another one. There are a lot more and better ways to compensate an artist than giving money to record companies.
Besides that, I‘m not saying dont buy artistic work, I‘m saying please pirate products of companies that try to bullshit their customers.`
I’m refuting the first part (which is your main argument because the second part is just another way to say the exact same thing) and my rebuttal also covers your second point (you’re punish the creators that have nothing to do with the company that’s doing bullshit).
You can’t prove that pirates do compensate the creators either so your argument is moot if mine is. The only way to legally have the creators content on hand is but purchasing it (license or full ownership), no other form of compensation allows you to have those files or compensates ALL the people involved.
As for derailing the conversation, you’re the first one who mentioned artists and compensating them in other ways, which, if you can be honest for 30 seconds, isn’t something that exists in the video game world.
In the end, it’s on you to just not play games that are distributed in a way that makes you reliant on a third party. Just because you’re mad it doesn’t make it ok to enjoy the work of the people who created the games that are distributed in a way you disagree with without compensating them.
Many words for something you could have said in three sentences.
You obviously dont know how to prove something. I would have to prove someone has pirated something (if thats how we define pirate) and then prove they have done whatever to compensate the creator, e.g. buy merch, subscribe on patreon or otherwise send them money.
And no, it is not my main argument. My main argument was that calling a limited license „buying“ or „owning“ is manipulative and should be illegal, therefore pirating products from a company using these tactics is ok.
For fuck’s sake, what have YOU proven so far? You’re the one who brought up “alternative compensations”, yet you can’t prove that’s something that happens or that it makes you legally entitled to own the media created by the people you’re compensating in this alternative way.
Pirating is only ok if you decide to ignore the fact that the creators have a right to make a living. If you think they don’t then you’re no better than a slaver as you’re talking their work and enjoying it while they’re left without any form of compensation in return. The responsibility is on your as a consumer to say “This product is distributed in a way I disagree with therefore I will do without it.” and you can contact the creators/publisher to tell them how you feel. The second you open your eyes and see the human element you have no moral ground to stand on and from the get go you already know you don’t have any legal ground to stand on either.
In the end you’re just treating people in a way you would never accept to get treated yourself.
https://lemmy.giftedmc.com/post/204629
Wow, you’re a big baby aren’t you?
Let me solve that for you by blocking you 😘
Yeah, feel free to. Always happy for one abusive person less in my lemmy experience. Reported, blocked.
they supposedly bloced me, too.
some people cant stand the cognitive dissonance that comes with learning they were wrong.
Considering that this account has never before interacted with me and immediately went there, they either used an alt or have severe issues with impulse control and abusive behavior.
no, it’s not
What do you call it if you work to create something for someone and that person decides that what you created is theirs for free and you don’t have a say in the matter?
Because that’s exactly what slavery is and that’s exactly what pirates do.
If you disagree you should mention it to your boss because I’m sure they would be very happy to know that!