• cmhe@lemmy.world
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      I more and more think that there is just one dimension starting by authoritarian and ending with social.

      Faschistst, Tankies, free market libertarians, autocrats and feudalists, are just authoritarians in with different origins. Their team should be in power, their team should be supported by everyone, while they profit from it.

      While social people want nobody to suffer, everyone to be in power and have self a determination, etc.

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        True free market libertarians are anti authoritarian. US free market libertarians are always happy to have tax cuts, subsidies, tariffs, regulatory oversight etc. So long as it benefits them.

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          There no such thing as a free market. It’s a constant tug of war between corporate consolidation and government/public power preventing monopoly and abuse. Removing the public power just leaves corporations unchecked and able to control the market itself.

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          I don’t think ‘true free market libertarians’ exist. They only want free market because it benefits them at the specific time or circumstances they want it.

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            They do exist. But not in the real business world.

            There are economists that argue (with academic justification) that fewer frictions increase growth. But they usually ignore topics like human rights, environmental impacts, inequality etc.

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      why do you oppose lifting sanctions on north korea - which is a nation that is one of the biggest victim of US imperialism?

      Liberals are just imperialists.

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          Ok you are alright in this regard

          I however disagree heavily with your assertion on “authoritarianism”, because I am a marxist leninist.

          Every anti “authoritarian” tendency of socialism (moreso sceintific socialism i.e. marxism) is reactionary and idealist in itself.

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            So because of your political ideologies you are just going to hand wave aside authoritarianism, neat. What a load of trash.

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              We need the a Dictatorship of Proletariat to resist imperialism from outside and counter revolution from inside. In liberal terms that would be called authoritarianism, it could be ugly but its the reality and path we need to take.

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      Why did you use the stethoscope instead of the actual left right auth liberty axes?

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          Nazism adopted aspects of socialism, its just the Reich decided only certain groups were allowed to participate, while certain other groups were heavily persecuted stolen from, and murdered by the state. So on the Left Right scale yes they are slightly to the left of absolute right because of the social programs and redistribution of stolen wealth and land and the fact that while private ownership remained mostly intact private business was still guided and controlled by the state to facilitate the wartime economy. I’m not calling them socialists, just fascists that stole a few ideas from the socialists and implemented them in ways that would strengthen and benefit the german state, and pacify the remaining approved groups of approved peoples. It seems your conflating left right (communism - capitalism) with Authority and Liberty.

          https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/life-in-nazi-occupied-europe/economic-policy/

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare

          Though TBF If I had made this graphic myself i’d probably have expanded the Nazism area to overlap with the Fascism square

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            The graphic also has my old professor on it as a notable figure, which is also comical. I wouldn’t take it seriously at all.