• plyth@feddit.org
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    1 day ago

    By deporting native people from their land and replacing them with russians?

    Was it entire people or just the elite?

    which just meant shipping resources to moscow as the expense of the countries they illegally occupied.

    Do you have numbers? I have seen numbers that like before the war, Russia exported oil for cheap. The fewer resources compared to today were caused by the smaller economy.

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      1 day ago

      Here’s just Estonia: SOVIET REPRESSION AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES IN ESTONIA

      Before Soviet occupation:

      Population of Estonia: ~1.13 million

      Ethnic Estonians: ~1.0 million (~88%)

      Ethnic Russians: ~90,000 (~8%)

      Soviet repression:

      People deported from Estonia: ~50,000

      June 1941 mass deportation: ~10,000

      March 1949 mass deportation: ~20,000–21,000

      Men forcibly mobilized and transported into the USSR in 1941: ~32,000–34,000

      People murdered, imprisoned, or deported by the Soviet regime: more than 75,000

      Identified victims who were killed or died in imprisonment/forced resettlement and never returned: more than 22,000

      By 1989, near the end of Soviet occupation:

      Population of Estonia: ~1.57 million

      Ethnic Estonians: ~963,000 (61.5%)

      Ethnic Russians: ~475,000 (~30%)

      Ukrainians: ~48,000

      Belarusians: ~28,000

      Demographic change:

      Ethnic Russian population increased from ~90,000 to ~475,000

      Net increase in ethnic Russian population: ~385,000

      Estonian share of the population fell from ~88% to 61.5%

      Despite nearly 50 years passing, there were slightly fewer ethnic Estonians living in Estonia in 1989 than before Soviet occupation.

      This isn’t some Russo phobia or anti communism thing. What they have done is fucking awful and anyone who spews some bullshit about NATO expanding and threatening russia can go fuck themselves. Russia represents an existential threat to its neighbors and it has no one to blame for that sentiment besides itself.

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        1 day ago

        I asked for numbers about:

        which just meant shipping resources to moscow

        What your numbers don’t show is the class war. The people who were deported, were they part of the elite or regular citizens?

        It also seems like the migrants are not only Russians:

        mobilized mostly among Russians, as well as other parts of the Soviet Union.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Estonia

        What I don’t understand is the logic of the resettlement. Most migrants are in one county close to Russia. That’s only a bit more helpful to influence the population than having them live across the border in Russia.

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          9 hours ago

          Glad you’re focused on how they shipped more resources to moscow and leningrad instead of the human impact. Tells a lot about you.