I am italian, and the main messaging platform here is WhatsApp. I didn’t completely quit, i just said “Hey, i want to not use it as much, so don’t expect me to instantly answer”, and that was the deal for a while. Then, i suddenly convinced the most important friends to switch including my mom, and now i can confidently say i could potentially delete my WhatsApp account and wouldn’t loose on much. However i’ve been thinking and i feel like an asshole for making them switch. They say it’s not an issue for them, but still feels like such a selfish thing to do. I am immensely against Meta, i do not trust their app, especially since it’s closed source and most of their revenue is literally data trafficking, but i also feel like a bit of a paranoid crazy guy. I love Signal and chose that as a platform mainly because they have no telemetry, no ads, no AI bs, it’s fully open source and incredibly user friendly (only annoyances are the centralization which is kinda necessary for the ease of use and the mobilecoin stuff, but it is not a biggie since it’s opt in and you’d have to specifically seek out for it unlike the Brave Rewards in Brave for example). What do you think?
It’s your right to avoid for-profit and invasive platforms (especially from companies famous for causing addictions and mental health problems), and it’s their choice to switch if they want to communicate with you more easily. I’m in a similar boat with Discord.
Asking someone to add an additional free messaging app is maybe a 2 out of 10 on the effort scale, where 1 is “hand me that thing that’s next to you” and 10 is “give me one of your kidneys”.
You shouldn’t feel bad about asking anyone who claims to care about you for such a small favor even if it didn’t benefit them, but as others have already mentioned, it does.
wife: I hate that every time we talk about stuff I get ads about it, it’s too creepy.
me: move to signal, here’s my singal ID
wife: *sigh mabye tomorrow
REPEAT ABOVE 30 times
wife ok, let me install it
wife: adding you
we never text, or fb, or anythig, just signal
no more creepy ads.
How about Matrix? (Element X)
I had everyone move to matrix and it was really a struggle to keep it working and usable, and now we switched to Signal which is a much easier user experience.
What was your main problems?
Mainly recovery key issues, notifications which suddenly didn’t appear as they used to, and downtime. But I can’t say eactly what it was, I just know that everyone is more happy with Signal.
How long time ago was this?
However i’ve been thinking and i feel like an asshole for making them switch.
You should definitely not feel like an asshole for getting them on a safer app. You moved them off a predatory app. That’s good. I convinced my mom to get off Whatsapp because Meta kept trying to scam her into using the AI bullshit.
With Signal, it’s just messages. No ads, nothing trying to trick you into doing something against your benefit. It’s just messaging. That’s all she cares about.
It’s not selfish. Data protection protects THEM as well.
OR carry on using WhatsApp on Beeper for now. https://www.beeper.com/ You can start using Signal and WhatsApp at the same time using Beeper, and start a slower transition by convincing your contacts to do the same.
No you shouldnt.
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I’m on Signal, if someone wants to reach me they can find me there.
I’m okay with not being instantly available to dozens of people.
Its not selfish to convince your family to do what’s in their own best interests.
why feel bad for suggesting objectively better software?
IMO it’s better in a sense that one may do damage vs one that would not
WhatsApp does a lot of damage. Even if they don’t read your messages (there is no evidence that they can’t, since WhatsApp is proprietary), they at the minimum know who you talk to and when, and they use that data across Meta services to track you.
I’ve started replying to any meta site link with this sticker I found on signal
If people knew how meta treats their customers, then they won’t (I hope) stay there.
Cropped version.
Horrible resolution though…
Who are Meta’s customers though? I assume it’s the shareholders in which case I imagine they’re being treated just fine.
Don’t give up on Signal. I did the same with my friends and family years back (about 5 years ago) it’s been great
Why shouldn’t they feel like “assholes” forcing you to use WhatsApp umin the first place? I quit WhatsApp years ago. Everyone I know uses either Signal or Telegram (still better than Meta).
Don’t overcomplicate things. Just stick to what you feel is right.
In some countries, WhatsApp is the main tool of communication. When I visited Chile years ago, companies had WhatsApp logos on all of their ads, billboards and storefronts. So I get why it’s so difficult to ditch it in those places.
If no one starts the change, nothing ever will change. Someone has to go through the hassle so others can follow.
Yeah, gotta start somewhere. It’s just crazy how Meta got their claws in with WhatsApp.
Fossify isn’t encrypted. It looks worse than RCS.
Thanks for list!
