Please don’t make separate replies to address multiple points. It’s distracting.
Why the fuck do you refer to Israel as a neocolony?
Because it is formally independent from Europe but is otherwise reliant on both it and its late-stage colonies.
What civilians? There are no Jewish civilians in pissrael. Very few.
What about children? They don’t count?
Anything is justified against settlers. Literally anything
I agree that people have the right to repel and defend theirselves against settlers, but implying that even rape and torture are fine is just embarrassing.
The Jews in Israel do not get harmed by the Zionist project, rather they benefit from it, massively.
It is a little more complicated than that, though, because if you finished reading my topic, you would have understood that living in that piss bucket comes with caveats, much like how living in the dump that is Imperial America comes with numerous caveats. Yes, even for White folk. I don’t know about you, but living on stolen land doesn’t sound all that great when you have to be raised in a shitty, hyperindividualist culture that repeatedly traumatized you for the rest of your life. I hate to state the obvious, but — contrary to what the Herzlians want us to believe — the occupation is not a utopia.
Yes, white Jews are treated better than black Jews, but white people are treated better everywhere in all countries.
Ah, good, so you acknowledge that saying ‘Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people’ was misleading seeing as how Jews of color exist.
And even a black jew in occupied Palestine enjoys far more privileges than most people on earth.
Sure, but that does not make their disadvantages irrelevant. The occupation discriminating against Jews of color is another reason to oppose it.
What’s next? White supremacy is bad for white people because some of them have to wear a hood sometimes and that’s uncomfortable?
I understand why people are disinterested in having a discussion about how White supremacy comes with caveats for Whites, much like how I can see why many women don’t care if neopatriarchy comes with caveats for blokes. The reason is obvious: Whites aren’t White supremacy’s biggest victims, so it’s natural to be disinterested in that subject. Therefore, if you don’t want to see me name any examples of how maybe White supremacy isn’t all that great for Whites, I’ll understand. I talk about Herzlianism’s caveats for Jews to help dissuade others from supporting the occupation. Admittedly, the oppression of Palestinians should be more than enough, but you can’t argue that a discussion about how Zionism harms ordinary Jews somehow makes Zionism look any better.
Because it is formally independent from Europe but is otherwise reliant on both it and its late-stage colonies.
That is not what a neocolony is. What? Lmao
What about children? They don’t count?
What about them? Settlers who bring their children into settlements are abusing their children.
I agree that people have the right to repel and defend theirselves against settlers, but implying that even rape and torture are fine is just embarrassing.
Who implied that rape is fine? Certainly not me. Torture is just fine. Especially against settlers, for example, to extract military information. No it is not embarrassing. Are you doing the whole “Oh Hamas rapes and tortures people” bit? Why not just join the IDF’s hasbara department, at least they will pay you for it.
I hate to state the obvious, but — contrary to what the Herzlians want us to believe — the occupation is not a utopia.
You realize that you are moving goalposts here, yeah? Pissrael can be hyper individualistic or it could be a concrete jungle or you can talk about how life in Pissrael is not so amazing, but the very fact that those settlers are afforded a life in Occupied Palestine is a massive privilege. Jews all over the world materially benefit from Pissrael. Jews in Pissrael benefit from it the most by means of a very high standard of living. There is no question about this. Your description of why life could be bad in Pissrael literally reads like a first world problem.
Ah, good, so you acknowledge that saying ‘Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people’ was misleading seeing as how Jews of color exist.
No, it is absolutely not misleading. How is that misleading? Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people. That is true. No matter where you go in most countries, jews are put on a pedestal and pampered. Jews are afforded unfair advantages in many sectors of the economy. They are afforded so many treats in Pissrael itself. A black jew is still a jew, and while a black jew might face racism everywhere in the world (just like any other black person), they are still infinitely more materially privileged than any other black person, or even many white people.
An ordinary white person from Vladivostok couldn’t decide to attain a first world passport and move into a free stolen home and receive thousands of dollars and incredibly high social nets and an extremely high standard of living tomorrow if he wants to, but a black Jew can.
but you can’t argue that a discussion about how Zionism harms ordinary Jews somehow makes Zionism look any better.
That’s not the point. Zionism does not harm Jews. Your premise is false. Zionism benefits Jews massively. Every single Jew in the world is materially better off because of Zionism. To varying degrees, but measurably. Billions are spent on these people by a foreign government, on propaganda, on cultural programmes etc. Did you know that there is a holocaust museum in El Savador? The museum only talks about the Jews, of course, of whom 6 million were dead and does not talk about the 23 million Soviets who were killed. Now, why on Earth does a country that’s several thousands miles away from Germany where practically zero Jews or Germans live have a Holocaust museum? Because Pissrael funds it to maintain a higher social prestige for jews all over the world.
Zionism materially benefits every single Jew. This is just a fact. And that is why you see Jews everywhere supporting Pissrael. From surveys, the vast majority of Jews worldwide, and an overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel support Israel’s actions in Gaza, ergo they are Zionists. Zionism is an ethno supremacist movement and ethnic supremacy is literally meant to materially benefit those that belong that ethnicity.
Please don’t make separate replies to address multiple points. It’s distracting.
Because it is formally independent from Europe but is otherwise reliant on both it and its late-stage colonies.
What about children? They don’t count?
I agree that people have the right to repel and defend theirselves against settlers, but implying that even rape and torture are fine is just embarrassing.
It is a little more complicated than that, though, because if you finished reading my topic, you would have understood that living in that piss bucket comes with caveats, much like how living in the dump that is Imperial America comes with numerous caveats. Yes, even for White folk. I don’t know about you, but living on stolen land doesn’t sound all that great when you have to be raised in a shitty, hyperindividualist culture that repeatedly traumatized you for the rest of your life. I hate to state the obvious, but — contrary to what the Herzlians want us to believe — the occupation is not a utopia.
Ah, good, so you acknowledge that saying ‘Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people’ was misleading seeing as how Jews of color exist.
Sure, but that does not make their disadvantages irrelevant. The occupation discriminating against Jews of color is another reason to oppose it.
I understand why people are disinterested in having a discussion about how White supremacy comes with caveats for Whites, much like how I can see why many women don’t care if neopatriarchy comes with caveats for blokes. The reason is obvious: Whites aren’t White supremacy’s biggest victims, so it’s natural to be disinterested in that subject. Therefore, if you don’t want to see me name any examples of how maybe White supremacy isn’t all that great for Whites, I’ll understand. I talk about Herzlianism’s caveats for Jews to help dissuade others from supporting the occupation. Admittedly, the oppression of Palestinians should be more than enough, but you can’t argue that a discussion about how Zionism harms ordinary Jews somehow makes Zionism look any better.
That is not what a neocolony is. What? Lmao
What about them? Settlers who bring their children into settlements are abusing their children.
Who implied that rape is fine? Certainly not me. Torture is just fine. Especially against settlers, for example, to extract military information. No it is not embarrassing. Are you doing the whole “Oh Hamas rapes and tortures people” bit? Why not just join the IDF’s hasbara department, at least they will pay you for it.
You realize that you are moving goalposts here, yeah? Pissrael can be hyper individualistic or it could be a concrete jungle or you can talk about how life in Pissrael is not so amazing, but the very fact that those settlers are afforded a life in Occupied Palestine is a massive privilege. Jews all over the world materially benefit from Pissrael. Jews in Pissrael benefit from it the most by means of a very high standard of living. There is no question about this. Your description of why life could be bad in Pissrael literally reads like a first world problem.
No, it is absolutely not misleading. How is that misleading? Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people. That is true. No matter where you go in most countries, jews are put on a pedestal and pampered. Jews are afforded unfair advantages in many sectors of the economy. They are afforded so many treats in Pissrael itself. A black jew is still a jew, and while a black jew might face racism everywhere in the world (just like any other black person), they are still infinitely more materially privileged than any other black person, or even many white people.
An ordinary white person from Vladivostok couldn’t decide to attain a first world passport and move into a free stolen home and receive thousands of dollars and incredibly high social nets and an extremely high standard of living tomorrow if he wants to, but a black Jew can.
That’s not the point. Zionism does not harm Jews. Your premise is false. Zionism benefits Jews massively. Every single Jew in the world is materially better off because of Zionism. To varying degrees, but measurably. Billions are spent on these people by a foreign government, on propaganda, on cultural programmes etc. Did you know that there is a holocaust museum in El Savador? The museum only talks about the Jews, of course, of whom 6 million were dead and does not talk about the 23 million Soviets who were killed. Now, why on Earth does a country that’s several thousands miles away from Germany where practically zero Jews or Germans live have a Holocaust museum? Because Pissrael funds it to maintain a higher social prestige for jews all over the world.
Zionism materially benefits every single Jew. This is just a fact. And that is why you see Jews everywhere supporting Pissrael. From surveys, the vast majority of Jews worldwide, and an overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel support Israel’s actions in Gaza, ergo they are Zionists. Zionism is an ethno supremacist movement and ethnic supremacy is literally meant to materially benefit those that belong that ethnicity.
Claiming otherwise is intellectually dishonest.