“There is no reason to believe it could rise any faster” is a belief that doesn’t really feel founded on anything. And you seem to build a lot atop that belief.

If people were eating more meat, more meat would be produced.

I dunno, I’ve seen society go from “vegans might get some fries but will likely go hungry from a restaurant” to “every restaurant except one has at least one vegan option permanently on menu”. During this time stores and restaurants have stopped supplying eggs from cages birds, and fur farms has shut down across the country, and schools has started serving meat-free Mondays, multiple types of meat alteratives can be found in every corner store rather than specialist shops, the EU has banned animal testing for cosmetics, pet abandonment has become criminalised, etc…

None of those things would have happened if people weren’t going vegan, asking for vegan options at restaurants and stores, and pushing for vegan ideals at stores, restaurants, local councils and government.

The meat and dairy lobby is massive, intense and wealthy. I understand that it may seem impossible to work against such an opponent. But the force enacted by each individual going vegan is what has made these changes seem worth it to all the above institutions, in the face of such massive industries, and that makes each individuals force incredible.

Systemic changes are slow, but when you see them across decades they are undeniable.

Nothing you do as an individual for yourself causes systemic change. Being social and causing your peers to change their behavior is effective. But in the end there are hundreds of people in the world and you are just one of them.

Persistent, effective influencing is what does the most. You could also do a little terrorism, I guess. But that causes further divide and harm.

The point of this post was that comments like yours itt want to discourage positive change by naysaying, and that it’s shitty and wrong. Not really sure how you twisted that into “vegans aren’t doing anything”.

If it was only a few people you wouldn’t be getting so annoyed about them existing.

The real reason everyone hates vegans is that, deep down, we all know they’re right.

I don’t know if you just found out about a new word or what but that means specifically “untruth” which isn’t something you’ve proven at all. You pretend that a graph showing meat production increasing proves that vegans haven’t changed anything and that’s about as far from proof as one can get. My term for that claim is “bullshit”.

You came to this post highlighting people being shitty about social movements and you saw it as a great opportunity to be shitty about a specific social movement.