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    Do people really not remember that it was also boomers protesting vietnam and working in the civil rights movement? Or that plenty of people born after that voted for trump, and will again?

    Three intergenerational fake fight is dumb, and it prevents any real attempt at unification to fight against a real enemy: fascism.

    Fucking idiots, the whole fucking human race.

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      The counter culture was called a counter culture because it was a minority. Even of the boomers.

      The intergenerational fight is dumb, but if you’re talking generalisation and joining in, most boomers weren’t hippies.

      They conformed and are still complaining about those who don’t conform. Just as they complained about hippies then they complain about zoomers now.

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        I wasn’t exclusively talking about hippies, there were other counter culture groups and movements.

        But the thing I think you missed is that even if most baby boomers weren’t hippies and protesters, all of the hippies and protesters were boomers.

        It isn’t a generational issue at all, it’s a human issue, where you have people that fall into loose groupings of motivations and thinking, which seem to be either “nature”, or carried across generations over time. Some people, likely the majority, will be the conformists, and the rest fall into varying degrees of heresy.

        There are plenty of baby boomers and later generations (us gen x old fucks are old fucks now too) that don’t sit around bitching about “kids today”.

        Some of the baby boomer resistance got worn out and stopped fighting to some degree, but that’s totally different than the entire generation just becoming conformist.

        Truth? People are just idiots in general, and every generation has them. But until you spend time really hanging around a given generation, you only see and hear the loudest of them. I spent two decades of my life taking care of the elderly and dying. You ended up running into a big cross section of baby boomers and older generations doing that during the nineties and early noughts.

        That’s part of the problem. Most of us never get a chance to get paid to sit and listen to someone. We only hear the tiniest sliver of a generation. Even with my hundreds of patients to listen to, that’s still a tiny sliver, it’s just bigger than most people get. All that usually happens is you get access to family and whoever is in the news/talk show circuit. Online, you tend to only get the extreme ends of things being the loudest.

        It isn’t a generation issue at all.

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          When a large generation is voting to block progressive change it is a generational issue on the macro scale.

          I am fully on board with the idea that shouldn’t lead to discrimination on age, shouldn’t lead to assuming all boomers are the problem.

          Nor that all those younger are progressive.

          But politically it is a generational issue. When talking about politics it is legitimate to talk about demographics and voting blocks and how we might get them on side. Or at least prevent them doing further damage.

          Obviously my side is primarily the “stop wrecking the planet” side with a healthy dose of “poverty and homelessness are a stain on any developed nation”. So boomers voting the way they do is a problem and has been for some time.

          They are yet to stop voting in people who make the world worse. That generation is still a problem. It has been since the 70s.

          Either we get enough of that generation to change direction or, more likely, we have to out vote them.

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          wait, it’s like not a generational issue, and isn’t using generation as a shorthand for specific demographics still useful in everyday language? how else would you refer to such a group of individuals, i’m drawing blanks.

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            I’m saying it isn’t about when you were born, it’s about how you think.

            The demographics don’t matter because every generation has the same basic humanity within it.

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      Ahh, the voice of reason. All ____ are ____ (fill in with your favorite stereotypes). Then, us serfs fight amongst ourselves, oblivious to what’s really going on.

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        A significant number of serfs dream of lording over their peers, just like, or worse than, the current lord. Those are the perfect, disposable tools for the oppressors, little promises go a long way.

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      Nah, it was still the WW2 generation that fought for Civil rights. The Boomers were in elementary school in the 50s and only the oldest could even vote in 1963, 1964, and 1968.

      But once all the Boomers could vote, who got elected? Reagan. So fuck them.

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      Hating on boomers has been popular on the internet for over a decade now.

      Before that, young millenials and gen z wouldn’t even know what the term boomer referred to.

      And now they just use it to mean anyone who is older than them. 40 year olds are boomers to them.

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          Oh “baby boomer” has been a term for a long time. Probably since history and social sciences started categorizing generations. My point is young people on the internet were not using it as a blanket term for anyone over 30 or 40 years old.

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            No they were using it to denote a generation of people born after WW2 who have had everything given to them in life and destroyed it afterwards so nobody could benefit from it anymore.

            Basically the selfishness of the Me-generation

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        I mean, the oldest zoomers were 17 a decade ago, and most were significantly younger. So yeah, I guess a lot of them wouldn’t know what “boomer” meant, but what of it?

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      Completely agree, but mate half the fun is watching generations gradually understand the multi layered perfection of life stage related Simpsons clips.

      Oh BTW everyone you’re due to listen to cat Stevens father and son again to see if it has changed meaning

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    a global generation that won’t be storming any beaches or cities would be a blessing for the world

    imagine a generation in russia that just keeps doing what they do instead of listening to an old psychopath in Moscow who decides that it would be “good” to send hundreds of thousands to their deaths to bring death and destruction to millions of others

    being peaceful is not a shame!

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      Yeah but… they seemed to not have realized that it would be THEM being used as cannon fodder. They thought they could just reap the benefits without having to lift a finger. It was going to be “repeal and then replace”, and then once they swallowed that line, it reeled them in when it was too late to pull back.

      i.e. they were promised peace - the territorial expansion was only supposed to last 3 days and that hardly counted in their eyes - and did not realize that by having elected Putin, it was already too late.

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      Song

      Translation

      How much years unending

      Slaughters inhumane

      On children fall from sky

      Bombs as bunch of anger

      Tanks’ place is in museums

      Let them quietly rust there

      Body of mother is scarred

      Warriors’ place is in romance

      Wars are not glory

      Groans in bloody mess

      Tears, dirt on uniform

      Wars don’t have a place in the world

      Tanks’ place is in museums

      Let them quietly rust there

      In tales of old empires

      People don’t belive anymore

      “Homo homini lupus est” is what we said when

      Voice of reason was silent in world and war raged everywhere

      When lives were worthless, people were seen only as soldiers

      And entire world was turning to burning hell

      Why didn’t we become smarter Isn’t it’s time already

      To understand as a matter of fact that more important

      For hammer of war to stop clutter

      Tanks’ place is in museums

      Let them quietly rust there

      Even as toys

      Kids don’t need to know them

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    I’d be willing to be that if there were an existential military threat, the zoomers would indeed find it in them to storm the beaches of Normandy.

    I hope they storm the metaphorical beaches of climate change and economic inequality

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      No need to storm the beaches of Normandy we have the channel tunnel now. You can take a train, it’s much easier.

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      I don’t paint but, the imagery of zoomers “storming the beaches of economic inequality” gives me inspirational energy I haven’t had in a while. Thank you.

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            I’m realizing that there is no way we are getting the genie back in the bottle on generative art… But you can also definitely tell the difference between when it’s just pure generated vs being used to help develop an art piece but a fair amount of work still went into it to fixing it up and styling the composition.

            It’s not much but I think it’s still a place to draw the line while trying to support actual artists and maybe push those that want to generate to still put effort in past rolling the dice a bunch.

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      Lower vs middle class maybe sure, there is discussion there. Skilled vs unskilled labor: you don’t know how to read even Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with skill (you can watch a guy dice an onion in his hand in 4.2 seconds and it’s still “unskilled labor”) and everything to do with choosing the right vocabulary to express a point: some jobs require college or trade school and some do not.

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        All skilled labor is compressed unskilled labor, or in other words, all unskilled labor is skilled labor.

        Training and raising someone to do a job contributes to the value produced by their labor, it matters more in comparison to the aggregate whole than anything else.

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          I don’t know how to respond to this? I mean yes you are right but the compression is not situation agnostic which is the whole point: some jobs (“skilled labor”) require a particular degree or pretraining as a point of entry, and others (“unskilled labor”) do not. It doesn’t mean it’s not valuable or not worth pursuing, but it’s a mincing of words that are poorly chosen in the first place.

          At the end of the day yes both varieties are worth pursuing and are necessary but one has a zero knowledge entry point and the other does not. I don’t agree with “skilled vs unskilled” as vocab goes, but this is the point.

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            My point is that the idea of “unskilled labor” is false, if skilled labor is labor that requires training, then all labor is skilled labor of a different manner, and as such all labor is labor, even if some labor is more or less constrained.

            2x vs 3x doesn’t mean x changes.

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              It seems to me the point you are making is that you take issue with the choice of wording (“unskilled”) and I do too. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t represent a real category. It’s school vs no school so use that word if you want. If tomorrow I want to apprentice as a plumber I can, if tomorrow you want to be a researcher in artificial intelligence you can’t. You can pick the wording but that’s a real distinction: a job board in your town will hire a line cook with no experience, or an apprentice tradesman with no experience, but that is not true for every single profession. They all take skill in the long run, some have a barrier to entry and THAT is what the words (which are badly chosen admittedly) are for.

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                “No school” still requires raising someone, negating it because it’s shared doesn’t mean the labor didn’t require a large input beforehand to be done.

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        A line chef isn’t considered an unskilled laborer. Unskilled labor is like flipping burgers, digging ditches, and that sort of thing.

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          Unskilled labor is a bullshit term used to diminish the work done by people in low paying jobs. Many people would say that a line cook is unskilled, slightly above flipping burgers or digging ditches. It’s nebulous and useless for productive conversation

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            There are definitely jobs that don’t really require any specific skills. If you can learn all of your duties after 1 minute of instructions, what would you call that? It doesn’t need to be interpreted as a derogatory term, but it’s accurate for a lot of positions.

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            No you’ve missed the point. It has nothing at all to do with value or pay scale as you can easily see by comparing a B.S. grad in engineering with a trained plumber who will definitely make more money. All “unskilled” means is that you didn’t go to school to start. Period. It doesn’t mean it’s not valuable or doesn’t require skill, it means whoever started the discussion picked shitty words.

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          No youre conflating how you define the word “skill” with the actual definition. It’s absolutely unfortunate but just means you didn’t go to school to get the job.

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            There are plenty of jobs that don’t require a college degree but require a lot of skills. Would you consider an electrician to be unskilled labor? I don’t know anyone who would. But if you can perform all the duties of your job after some simple instructions then that’s usually considered unskilled labor.

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              Yes I would because that’s how the terms are defined. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t require skill, it just means that’s how some nitwit decided to divide the categories.

              Edit: to be exceptionally clear, these categories have NOTHING to do with how you define the word “skill”. I didn’t pick the words, but you can’t force it to fit a definition of skill because this is the accepted meaning. Sorry.

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          Do you mean to say line cook? Because it goes without saying that a chef is a skilled labourer but a cook also has to chop onions fast.

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      I’d be inclined to believe you if the boomers weren’t literally the ruling class.

      Even the poor ones are still land owners, and meanwhile the rest of us have to fight uphill both ways to get a single measly Congress seat!

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        Even the poor ones are still land owners

        This is very far from the truth. There has been an explosion of senior homelessness over the last 4 years because the poor baby boomers can’t afford the rising cost of rent on a fixed income, and are too old to go get jobs.

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        Let me tell you, then… Boomers are NOT the ruling class. A small group of rich people control most of the wealth in the world. Those people are the ruling class.

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          Really? Because when I see the folks that hold the line against anything positive getting done, I don’t see rich people, I see wannabe rich boomers. Blocking legislation, packing courts, gerrymandering, keeping the electoral college, introducing politics of spite, it’s all the fucking boomers and I refuse to be gaslit that they aren’t at the core of the problem.

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        That’s really far from the truth. For every article talking about boomers contributing to inflation by spending fat 401k’s, there’s another saying boomers didn’t manage to save anything and either have to work until they die or end up part of the homelessness problem.

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        Lemmy is a FOSS answer to the failings of Capitalist Reddit. Everyone who doesn’t care enough is on Reddit, leaving Lemmy with tons of leftists who do care enough.

        There’s also Linux, Privacy, and other FOSS things, but FOSS in general aligns with leftist views.

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          FOSS also aligns with free market capitalist views.

          I’m not here because Reddit is capitalist, I’m here because Reddit sucks. I don’t like new Reddit or the Reddit app, and I certainly don’t like the tracking they do. Lemmy seems to be the closest alternative and is good enough, so I’m here.

          I consider myself libertarian (not US libertarian party, but ideologically libertarian, like Penn Jillette) and I’ve been a FOSS enthusiast for decades. I contribute to FOSS because I enjoy it and honestly think FOSS projects work better than their alternatives. I don’t do it out if some social obligation or whatever, I do it because it just seems to work better. I disagree politically with the creators of this project, yet I’ve contributed code and enjoy the work they’ve done.

          Just an alternative perspective.

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            FOSS does not align with Free Market Capitalist views, because it’s a rejection of individual ownership of property, and a rejection of the profit motive. That’s like saying being kind to your neighbor aligns with Free Market Capitalist views, I’m sure Free Market Capitalists think that’s a good idea but it in no way aligns with their ideology on the basis of Free Market Capitalism, it’s unrelated.

            The reasons you described hating Reddit, notably the forced usage of new Reddit and the Reddit App, as well as the tracking they do, is because Reddit is a Capitalist entity. The reason for all of this is so Reddit can make money off of owning the IP.

            Believing honestly that FOSS works better than the alternatives is a leftist stance. Leftism isn’t about social obligation, but a belief that individual ownership and thus enforced hierarchy is a bad thing.

            You should probably do some introspection.

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              FOSS does not align with Free Market Capitalist views, because it’s a rejection of individual ownership of property

              That’s just not true. FOSS is an explicit grant of rights to my property to the public at large. There’s no compulsion to make my work public, and I can even keep my modifications to a FOSS project to myself and not share it. FOSS leaves me, the contributor, in control of what I want to do with my work. If I’m the sole contributor, I can even change the license that my work is in, I just can’t revoke previously released versions of the software.

              In many cases, it makes more sense for companies to collaborate on a project than to build everything themselves. Look at Linux, most development comes from for-profit companies because distributing the burden of maintenance happens to be good for business. We see rival orgs like Huawei/Samsung, Intel/AMD, and RedHat/SUSE among the top contributors. They could keep those changes to themselves, but maintaining those changes long-term would cost more than the benefit they’d get from keeping them to themselves.

              is because Reddit is a Capitalist entity

              That’s just not true. I liked Reddit for years, but they slowly changed their model away from what worked for years. There were two directions they could’ve gone:

              • privacy oriented - offer low-cost, paid subscriptions to avoid ads - Reddit Gold failed because it was too expensive IMO, not because the model was poor
              • ad-supported - put ads on content, and harvest data to serve more relevant ads

              They picked the latter, so I left because that wasn’t the direction I wanted the platform to go. They can still make money off the IP and I have no problem with that, and if they chose a privacy-oriented approach, I would still be there. But they didn’t.

              I’m also totally fine with them charging for API access, I’m not okay with the amount they charged (which was way more than they’d get from ads through their app).

              Believing honestly that FOSS works better than the alternatives is a leftist stance

              Maybe if taking it to the extreme (i.e. FOSS always works better than the alternatives). But if taken situationally, I think it is totally a free capitalist mindset. For example, video games make a ton of sense being proprietary software, whereas game engines make a lot of sense being free software (or at least source-available, like Unreal Engine). In general, platforms are better as FOSS, whereas products are better as proprietary software. FOSS generally sucks for making products, proprietary software generally sucks for platforms because maintenance costs are so high.

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                You can absolutely take advantage of an explicitly leftist structure and use it for Capitalist gain in Capitalism, but that doesn’t make the structure Capitalist. It’s a rejection of Capitalism.

                The enshittification of Reddit is precisely because it’s a Capitalist entity. It wasn’t as profitable to do what worked, so they made it worse and upped their profit margins. Not sure why you struggle to see that.

                Thinking FOSS is better in some situations is devoid of being a Free-Market Capitalist stance, and is more leftist. Markets themselves are not Capitalist, by siding with FOSS, even in certain instances, you are saying leftist structures are better than Capitalist structures in certain instances. That’s more of a pro-market stance than a pro-Capitalism stance.

                You’re tying Capitalism to a rejection of Capitalism, when that doesn’t make sense. You should just accept that you have some leftist views with regards to how the economy should be structured, rather than contort your worldview to make illogical connections. I’m not asking you to change your views, just accept correct labeling of them.

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                  But it’s not leftist. Stallman certainly wanted it to be when he created the GPL, but it has worked incredibly well (and perhaps better) as a capitalist structure. It turns out, things like standards reduce costs overall, so you’ll get a better return on your capital by cooperating with others than keeping everything to yourself.

                  You can see this across the board. Most products are a derivative of other works, and being able to focus on your unique value proposition dramatically reduces costs and thus increases return on capital.

                  The whole notion of intellectual property is anti-capitalist, it’s government protectionism. Before IP laws were a thing, people built on each other’s innovations without restraint. Sometimes that lead to copycat works, and sometimes it lead to new works. IP law restricts derivative works, FOSS allows it, but puts limitations on them. I personally believe IP laws are one of the biggest hurdles to innovation and believe we should have much shorter patent and copyright duration to encourage more derivative works. FOSS is but one way to get around the current system.

                  because it’s a Capitalist entity

                  No, it’s because the leadership is stupid.

                  There are other privacy-respecting, “capitalist” companies that do just fine, they just have a different profit model. However, it just so happens that the masses seem to prefer paying with data and ad time over money for services. I don’t, so I avoid ad-supported services, mostly because I think that runs counter to the type of content I want to see. Sometimes that means I use FOSS, and sometimes that means I use privacy-respecting proprietary software.

                  When I used Reddit, I paid for an ad-free, proprietary mobile app. I’d do the same today if Reddit allowed fair competition with its app. But they have decided that ads, data collection, and mass appeal are the direction they want to go.

                  leftist structures are better than Capitalist structures in certain instances

                  I certainly believe that’s true, I just don’t think FOSS is inherently leftist. It’s a tool that works well both for capitalist and socialist interests, it has no economic or political bias.

                  Here are some areas where I think leftist structures are superior:

                  • education - I’m a fan of charter schools, and I think they should be run as co-ops owned by the teachers
                  • utilities - these are natural monopolies, so they should be run as a service to the community; that said, raw materials used by the utility could be for-profit (depending)
                  • banking - credit unions beat for profit banks in pretty much every area

                  I absolutely do have some leftist views, in fact I’m probably more left than both major US parties, on net. The left/right spectrum isn’t as interesting to me as the liberty/authoritarian spectrum. I want government to be less involved in my life, and I don’t really care if the solutions that make that happen come from the left or the right. But to me, FOSS isn’t either, it’s just a way for me to decide how I want my work to be used by others.

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                That’s just not true. FOSS is an explicit grant of rights to my property to the public at large.

                How is that NOT rejecting ownership (in this context meaning private property)? Public ownership is by definition leftist.

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                  A grant of rights is not ownership. If you own something, you can do whatever you want with it. If you’re granted rights to something, you are limited by the terms of the agreement.

                  For example, with the GPL, you are not allowed to use any (substantial) portion of the work in a propriety product. However, if you’re the author of that portion, you can.

                  Common ownership means everyone has the same rights related to the software. And that’s just not true for FOSS, though it can effectively be true for certain projects, provided there are enough authors. Linux is effectively commonly owned because getting every author to reassign ownership is infeasible, whereas that’s exactly not the case with MongoDB, where you sign over all copyright interest, so they completely own the work.

                  FOSS doesn’t require shared ownership, only shared rights, so it’s not socialist.

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        Short answer is a person’s class, and the class they serve, is the single most important factor for the amount of power an individual is capable of gaining in society. Class in this context is how you get the money you need to live. The owning class get that money by owning businesses, land, buildings, or intellectual property. The working class gets it by working.

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        Because the principle struggle is the class struggle between the working class and the owning classes, all other strugles are either secondary, incidental, or made up in order to distract us from the principle strugle, or a combination of the above. Once one learns this, the world starts to lock into a better prospective and we can start working to our ultimate goal, making a stew from the Rich

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          all other strugles are either secondary, incidental, or made up in order to distract us from the principle strugle

          I’ve heard this from syndicalists so many times as an excuse for disinvesting from any other contemporary struggle. They end up alienating everyone who cares for more than one issue.

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            First, I am not a syndicalist, I know that is not important but I feel I should mention it, because as the meme goes, there is no one a leftist hates more than a sligtly difrent leftist.

            I also never said “do not care about other issues” or “other strugles do not exist” I would also be wrong to say to disinvest from the suffering from others, however it is important to remember that 1) the primary struggle is that of class, and second most of those secondary and tertiary struggles, atleast under the status quo, can be traced back to the primary struggle, and that we cannot get a true and proper fix for them, or atleast it is significatly harder to do, if we do not work on fixing the primary struggle

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            Sexism is not solved with more female CEOs.

            Racism is not solved with billionaire POCs.

            Queerphobia is not solved with more LGBTQ+ media representation.

            The primary oppression is of the working class, and being a member of any of these marginalised groups simply fast tracks you to working class.

            That’s not to say there aren’t systemic prejudices. Of course there are. But these primarily serve to keep the group of elites small and ever more exclusive.

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              The primary oppression is of the working class, and being a member of any of these marginalised groups simply fast tracks you to working class.

              i am not interested in arguing. I thought, maybe if you read what you wrote, you may see that it’s incorrect. Can you see it?

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      And the worst part is forgetting that Boomers did their best to avoid going to war, just like any person would. In fact, it got so bad and so many people were going to jail or becoming Canadian exiles by avoiding the draft that Jimmy fucking Carter had to issue a general amnesty for all citizens.

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      Being “toughened up” is far more important than being a happy, well adjusted, compassionate person.

      …for the conservative mindset. It’s like making things worse for other people, even if it hurts you just a little bit, is worth it because it still elevates your position relative to theirs.

      Though they do often shoot to the other side of the spectrum, sheltering kids from learning about important facets of the real world at an appropriate age. Maybe for religious reasons.

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        Not even religious, I’ve known people yell at their pastor for mentioning death exists, using the word virgin in context of Mary.

        Toxic positivity, and love of power. I have also known of pastors who got threatened by their congregation for quoting the Bible where it says don’t exasperate your children. These people wanted to throw hands with God for daring tell them how to raise their kids and they can’t just treat them as thing to dominate over.

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        Finding happiness within yourself by realizing your ideal sense of self goes against everything conservatives believe. They think life is about hatred, and winning at all costs.

        You can’t just be happy and content with who you are, you have to chase happiness at the end of a crucifix, gun, and credit card. Pick your poison so long as you’re spending and supporting division. Anything else would collapse their true religion of capitalism.

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          Once I first read about the three poisons in Buddhism (essentially hatred, greed, and delusion) it seemed so simple and obvious. Then of course I noticed those obviously bad things in every shitty news story about the world.

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              For the three poisons, not really. Just DuckDuckGo it and see if you find a rabbit hole follow.

              Their approach to meditation also helps with being able to analyze your internal thoughts almost like a third party. The monk this video explains it about half way through, but I liked this whole video. I find him super easy to listen to.

              https://youtu.be/c1gY7RWE48U

              And around the same time I read some stoic philosophy. Marcus Aurelius is probably the first name you’ll run across. The really basic explanation is that things can only bother you if you let them, and it is within your power to improve your internal state without having to change the external world around you.

              There is a common theme among both philosophies, essentially being more aware and in control of your own mind.

              I am not religious about this stuff or anything. I’m a computer nerd atheist just like most of the people here. But using techniques and skills that markedly improve my life is what I’m gonna do regardless of who wrote the instructions.

              Edit to add: I don’t mean to suggest this is the silver bullet either. It took medication and therapy too. It’s a lot easier to make progress on yourself if your mind hurts less.

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      “Never again” Oh… I meant never again for us, or like, white ppl. Genocide for brown peeps is cool.

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      It’s all fun and stuff until the aliens come and invade us, catching us with our pants down after a millennia of peace. No, we must prepare ourselves to face the horrors that lurk in space and if we have to keep training against ourselves, so be it. /S

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    This A+ civics genius over here seems to be forgetting all the millennials that went to Iraq and Afghanistan, and when we (the US government) inevitably set up another meat grinder overseas, then there will be a bunch of “today’s youth” getting killed over there just like she wants. Christ.

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      it’s fair, wouldn’t you say that the breadth of the campaigns in number of deaths and artillery/air support kinda make normandy different enough?

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    Also can’t imagine any of them holding a sword high while charging their horse into a wall of pikemen.

    War changes. Normandy was 80 years ago. We had just invented duct tape.

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        Nah, they’ll just attack our infrastructure, the ones still running Windows XP. Power plants, emergency services, financial institutions, government, hospitables.

        Don’t bee too surprised, to this very day out government is attempting to protect from attacks like this and carrying out very similar attacks on other countries.

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    Ironically, Vietnam was Baby Boomers’ avocado toast. Their parents were happy to keep shipping their children off to die so that politicians wouldn’t look weak in front of the public. Remember that students were murdered at Kent State over daring to exercise their First Amendment rights.

    Somehow those people STILL, as a generation, became gigantic shitbags who destroyed the world for their own personal gratification.

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    A lot of boomers dont realize they lost the Vietnam war.

    My dad was shocked to learn that the communists won, when I told him a couple years ago.

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      My dad was shocked to learn that the communists won

      Even that is distorted - the Vietnamese people won under incredible hardship. Simple farmers, hundreds of thousands simply refused to bow to imperialist rule. They were helped, but they did the fighting.

      But you can also argue that the US did “win” the war or at least their objectives. The objective was to stop the domino effect of socialism and they absolutely brutally devastated Vietnam for many decades. And that was their objective, to punish anyone who dares to redistribute wealth.

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    Judging by US politics nowadays and their behaviour in regards to both Israel’s genocide in Gaza and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the average boomer would’ve sided with the Nazis.

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      That’s because they collectively have the political intelligence of a concussed pigeon.

      They go on and on about freedoms and their freedoms and their freedoms to have guns and in the next sentence endorse Trump a man who if he had his way would invite fascism into the country. Presumably their guns would be taken off them at that point. Since fascism with an armed population rarely works out.

      But none of them realize this because that’s like three steps down the line, and they’re still struggling to think about step one.

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        I am actively convinced that the boomer generation, and a chunk of the gen x gen, all had their development heavily and substantially impacted by the egregious use of lead throughout america, plus the waves of radiation that wafted over half of the country because of nuclear testing

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      It doesn’t even have to be a conspiracy. It’s just a group of like minded people making a ton of money.

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      Yeah, JFK, who started Vietnam and tried his best to provoke a war with the soviets during the Cuban missile crisis, was an enemy of the military industrial complex.

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      And remember, it was Eisenhower, a general and Republican, that warned us. Admittedly, Eisenhower was a different kind of Republican than we have today.

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      To an extent, the military has been asking for better raised, fed children but since that would require parents to labor less, and companies to make food more nutritious instead of immediately profitable, they get rebuked.

      What won is the dollar made today at expense of $100 tomorrow.

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    Today’s youth are fighting in Ukraine just fine. She probably thinks it’s character forming, having never once done anything remotely like that herself.

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      We absolutely won the war on terror in Afghanistan.

      Osama bin Laden tried to show that he was the scariest terrorist, and the US military took that personally and wasn’t willing to give up the crown. So, for a decade before his death, and a decade after, we spent trillions of dollars to make sure that a bunch of nice, lovely shepherds would shit themselves with fear if they’re at a wedding or funeral and hear the sound of an airplane in the distance.

      The goal was to make the most terror right? Did I move the goalposts enough that the US still wins?

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    Could of named Desert Storm? Or is that Gen X? Ether way older folks have been labeling the next generation as inept since the beginning of time but were still here long after they die.

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      Could have**

      Yes this is always the way. We will all tell our kids we walked to school uphill both ways in the snow until forever. Hopefully they all still go to school.

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      Some tail end boomers may have fought in Desert Storm but that’s primarily Gen X.

      Then millennials took over since then, and Gen Z joined us in the last decade.

      The Boomers had Vietnam … and I guess thought it was so fun they decided to make it worse for all their kids and grandkids

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        We had a war in the desert and said fuck that.

        Then we had a war in the jungle and said FUCK THAT and now we stick to desert wars

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      Of COURSE we’re inept - we’re inexperienced. What, did you think we were going to spring out of the womb fully ready to run all of society!?

      And even then, how da fuq did we manage to surpass them in knowledge of like every subject imaginable - not just computers/technology but climate change, abortion rights, and most everything else besides?!

      Maybe sitting on the couch/sofa isn’t the best way to learn how the world works? Although I could do it, with just a phone in my hand…

      But many will vote for tRump anyway, while yelling at me for being “inept”, even as I vote to keep their Social Security and Medicare going that keeps them alive and relatively healthy. Though their happiness is still up to them, so maybe turn off the Faux News that just tells them to be sad 24/7.

      But - and this is crucial - many old people will vote for Biden, even while many younger people will vote for tRump, bc while this whole age division thing does exist, it’s irrelevant and meant to distract us from the class warfare division that actually does matter.