The author/publisher (haymarket) should raise some major concerns. Their bottom line is to sell books from western “leftists” to western “leftists”. Promoted alongside Zionists. Condemned Iran, Maduro, call Russia Ukraine war imperialist ect ect. The book in and of itself could be fine. But I think this author and publisher should be ignored instead of legitimized.
It was no accident that there was a controversy. Their goal was to make provocative statements to garner attention and book sales and it worked well.
I’ll happily go out on a limb and say its not a great book it just cosplays as one with overly academic verbose language without brining anything new to the table. "how can you say that if you haven’t read it yourself "
I wasted multiple hours listening to their panel, and podcast. Im familiar enough with their rhetoric. I don’t plan on wasting money on a book written by a faux leftist argue with other western leftists about the veracity of their work. Sue me. At the very least don’t promote their work without giving a bit of due caution.
Their goal was to make provocative statements to garner attention and book sales and it worked well.
Yeah, that isn’t it and the fact that you think this is the case is rather telling to me if I’m being honest. The “controversy” was drum up by a right wing organization and the entire controversy can be dispelled by watching the talk where the statement was clipped from out of its context.
Say what you will about the publisher, I take no beef there, but this specific claim about making controversy to sell a book is very strange. Is that a notion you invented or did you hear this conclusion from someone else?
Making snarky comments in a public forum is bound to cause controversy.
Cause controversy with who exactly? The audience seems in on the humor. What even is the controversy by your account?
I also do find it funny to find a fellow traveler advocating to not read. Is the Marxist-Leninist worldview not suffecent to the task of reading a book critically and engaging with its content, regardless of its origins? Or should I have simply stayed in my Marxist-Leninist lane and kept to the classics as it were?
but a great book everyone should read??
Sure! I think it has some good history and has some rhetorical value, even if it is light on exactly what is to be done. It definitely exposed me to organizations and movements I wasn’t well versed in, and highlighted historical developments in a connected and materialist way that I hadn’t been exposed to before. The history is definitely one of the stronger parts of the book. You should read it, and we can have a chat about its merits and faults.
Just go back to hexbear lol
Na, most of you at grad are cool. Sorry! Can’t keep me away that easily.
To be honest with you I don’t think this level of hostility is warranted. To me it looks like you perceive this as an attempt to whitewash Haymarket or liberal zionist leftists.
You didn’t address much of what I asked. But I’ll reiterate myself once more. Have you read the previous works to be able to compare? For all I know its a worse version of past works to make a quick buck with some new history tacked on. My major contention is that you more or less omitted any of the possible concerns one might have with the author ect. While saying it’s a great book everyone should read.
the audience seems in on the humour
The audience…the Haymarket books socialism 2026 conference audience. Ok, so what? The american faux leftist Zionist conference thought something was funny… Its probably not that funny then. Again you admitted you only bought this book because that clip blew up. Not because someone recommended it as a good book on its own merits.
I also do find it funny to find a fellow traveler advocating to not read
Disingenuous. Never said that. Should probably read the referential books.
She clearly has no principles. She’s just in it for her own career. Participated in the fed op haymarket socialism conference with 200 dollar entrance fees. Sat alongside Zionists. Probably got paid for it too. Vouched for and is friends with the “Black fat flesh” guy (for those unfamiliar its their idea that Ozempic like drugs are genocide against black people because black people and fatness is inextricably linked?.. That obesity isnt a medical issue)
The author/publisher (haymarket) should raise some major concerns. Their bottom line is to sell books from western “leftists” to western “leftists”. Promoted alongside Zionists. Condemned Iran, Maduro, call Russia Ukraine war imperialist ect ect. The book in and of itself could be fine. But I think this author and publisher should be ignored instead of legitimized.
It was no accident that there was a controversy. Their goal was to make provocative statements to garner attention and book sales and it worked well.
I’ll happily go out on a limb and say its not a great book it just cosplays as one with overly academic verbose language without brining anything new to the table. "how can you say that if you haven’t read it yourself "
I wasted multiple hours listening to their panel, and podcast. Im familiar enough with their rhetoric. I don’t plan on wasting money on a book written by a faux leftist argue with other western leftists about the veracity of their work. Sue me. At the very least don’t promote their work without giving a bit of due caution.
This isn’t just me saying this about Haymarket. https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11249481
Yeah, that isn’t it and the fact that you think this is the case is rather telling to me if I’m being honest. The “controversy” was drum up by a right wing organization and the entire controversy can be dispelled by watching the talk where the statement was clipped from out of its context.
Say what you will about the publisher, I take no beef there, but this specific claim about making controversy to sell a book is very strange. Is that a notion you invented or did you hear this conclusion from someone else?
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Cause controversy with who exactly? The audience seems in on the humor. What even is the controversy by your account?
I also do find it funny to find a fellow traveler advocating to not read. Is the Marxist-Leninist worldview not suffecent to the task of reading a book critically and engaging with its content, regardless of its origins? Or should I have simply stayed in my Marxist-Leninist lane and kept to the classics as it were?
Sure! I think it has some good history and has some rhetorical value, even if it is light on exactly what is to be done. It definitely exposed me to organizations and movements I wasn’t well versed in, and highlighted historical developments in a connected and materialist way that I hadn’t been exposed to before. The history is definitely one of the stronger parts of the book. You should read it, and we can have a chat about its merits and faults.
Na, most of you at grad are cool. Sorry! Can’t keep me away that easily.
Down vote but no reply, my favourite concession
The call is coming from inside the house. Hexbear can’t downvote. Nice try.
To be honest with you I don’t think this level of hostility is warranted. To me it looks like you perceive this as an attempt to whitewash Haymarket or liberal zionist leftists.
You didn’t address much of what I asked. But I’ll reiterate myself once more. Have you read the previous works to be able to compare? For all I know its a worse version of past works to make a quick buck with some new history tacked on. My major contention is that you more or less omitted any of the possible concerns one might have with the author ect. While saying it’s a great book everyone should read.
The audience…the Haymarket books socialism 2026 conference audience. Ok, so what? The american faux leftist Zionist conference thought something was funny… Its probably not that funny then. Again you admitted you only bought this book because that clip blew up. Not because someone recommended it as a good book on its own merits.
Disingenuous. Never said that. Should probably read the referential books.
She clearly has no principles. She’s just in it for her own career. Participated in the fed op haymarket socialism conference with 200 dollar entrance fees. Sat alongside Zionists. Probably got paid for it too. Vouched for and is friends with the “Black fat flesh” guy (for those unfamiliar its their idea that Ozempic like drugs are genocide against black people because black people and fatness is inextricably linked?.. That obesity isnt a medical issue)