I originally thought about “and everyone in between”, but it does not sit well with me.

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    A famous German satirist always greets his audience with “Meine Damen und Herren und alle dazwischen und außerhalb” - Ladies and gentlement and everyone in between and beyond. I actually find that pretty cool.

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        The dictionary disagrees with you

        (colloquial) Used to address a group of people regardless of gender

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          When I was a cashier I got a customer complaint because I refered to and I quote “A woman and her two young ladies” as guys.

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          Doesnt change the fact that especially trans people might not feel included in this term. I am not a guy and I dont want to be referred to as one.

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        At least regionally, “guys” as in “hey guys” and “you guys!!” and “uh, guys?” – that is, to address a group is indeed gender neutral.

        In the Midwest you will absolutely hear spaces comprised solely of women use “guys” to address the group. Only the oldest sticklers/prescriptivists would insist said group be addressed as “ladies”

        That said, more than a few trans women I’ve met – even locally – don’t have that lived experience and I can imagine they find it difficult to believe.

        The search for less ambiguous language to protect their feeling of acceptance and safety is worthwhile even though “you guys” is a neutral address.

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    In Dutch people will solve that in mail by saying “Beste Mensen,” or “Lieve Allemaal” which translates as Dear People/ Dear All. Train stations don’t use “dear ladies/gentleman” announcements anymore, they say “dear travellers” instead. We just tend to avoid mentioning gender entirely lol.

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    Substitute it for “Those I don’t know half as well as I should like and those I like half as well as you deserve.”

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    Just replace it all with “(my) goodpeople” or something similar. I personally wouldn’t want to add a non-binary option. I would remove the binary ones entirely. Make all people equal.

    I’m a cis-man, and this might not be the popular non-binary option. I expect it to definitely not be the primary binary choice, as I think a lot of cis people want to be specifically recognized. I disagree with this though. Cis people aren’t better, so recognizing them specifically, but then everyone also as a different group, feels wrong.