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The PS5 itself barely has a reason to exist since most games are STILL cross-gen. If I hadn’t skipped the PS4 generation my PS5 would have been a huge waste of money
I almost skipped the PS4 generation but got a PS4 Pro. As a result I had a huge catalogue of PS4 games to play and all at a decent price as they had been out for a while.
I was so impressed with the PS4 I purchased the PS5. Honestly the best thing about the PS5 is Astros Playground. Outside of that I’m just playing a remastered or patched PS4 game. The PS5 has been bitterly disappointing.
I’m on my new game+ playthrough of Spider-Man 2 and that game does a fantastic job of showing off what the PS5 can do. Even on my shitty tcl TV. Only game besides the playground that I’ve tried that does, though.
Did you play Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart? It really felt like they made that game to show off how smooth transitions can be on the PS5.
I’m enjoying rift apart! I just want to be able to play my old PS2 discs though haha
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Oh I do! Love pcsx2, just annoying that I need to either run a cable to my TV or use moonlight when I’ve already got a PS5 that could easily run it under emulation as well.
I did! Forgot about that one but you’re right it did, and I really enjoyed it too
Ps5 has been absolutely shit. Even their own flagship games have been cross gen.
If you bought a pro ps5 you would have a shit catalogue to play still.
I mean, spider-man 2 and FF7 Rebirth haven’t been bad. No ps4 versions either.
2 games to be fair, I know there are exclusives but they are few and far between.
Yea I feel the lag of PS4 has definetly dragged on way too long. They say devs make more money when theybsell on the larger install base but they also prevent the install base of ps5 from growing by selling to the ps4 base as well. You want the new game woth all the new graphics? Get the new console.
Instead game features must cater to the lowest hardware denominator.
That’s particularly bad for Xbox and their policies.
Microsoft was dumb to make a console with last gen power (series S) then firce all series X games to release for the S. They stifled their gaming power this gen by doing that.
Yeah they could have locked God of War Ragnarok to ps5. Pushed it to be a showpiece for what the console is capable of. Same with Forbidden West. They could have even put ps5 only exclusive additions to games like GTAV did with first person view.
Really disappointing console, probably the last I will buy.
What does the game selection have to do with the console itself though? Whether the selection of games is good or bad, the hardware is still hands down better. For quite a long time, the games available for PS4/XBOne were cross platform. This time around we had COVID and supply shortages to contend with, along with consolidation in game studios, which is why they’ve stuck around longer.
What does the game selection have to do with the console itself though?
Like everything? It is what all that hardware is for, if it isnt giving me anything new then what is the point? The hardware improvements are marginal and not all that special in terms of a unique selling point.
And the conditions only explain the situation not excuse it, this generation is boring and did not progress the industry much. I think it is across all consoles, there was nothing special other than minor graphical improvements.
The industry also shat out remakes and remasters instead of new content.
This is like saying new pcs barely have a reason to exist because old pcs can play some new pc games.
I don’t entirely disagree with you, but if your old PC runs almost all new games and without any significant performance gains by upgrading, why would you get a new PC?
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If it wasn’t clear I’m not talking about actual PCs but making an analogy about the difference between PS5 and PS5 Pro.
You wouldn’t upgrade your PC if that’s all the performance gains you were going to get, right?
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So you are here to start pendendatic arguments completely oblivious to main topic of this entire post??? Are you trolling or stupid? It’s 100% clear what the person you replied to meant.and it’s 100% on topic for the post of “ps5 is pointless upgrade” so what exactly are you arguing other than some weird PC fanboy pride that seems bruised
With the last few gpu generations it’s even accurate… huge amount of ppl see no need to upgrade from GTX 1080.
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Not unless you’re also upgrading your display. It always comes down to the weakest link in the chain.
i think it makes it more like a pc in the sense that you can get the cheaper one, or the expensive newer one if you care about better graphics/fps. no complaints, i like it.
I disagree heavily.
I actually think that technologically speaking, the PS5 is unimpressive. But compared to the PS4 pro, calling it a “waste” is lunacy. The only reason you think this is clearly because you didn’t have a PS4 lol.
Agreed. My PS4 consistently sounded like a jet engine while playing games with moderate level of graphics and moderate load times. The PS5 has instant load times, 4k resolution, and much better graphics. I don’t regret buying it one but other than the fact that I don’t find myself playing games much at all these days due to burnout.
I like that the controller go brrrrr
This is the same conversation we had throughout the entire rumorwave about this project: Who is going to buy this and which developers will actually anything worthwhile with the new hardware? Because all signs points to an expensive console (at least $600) with the only upgrades being a slight graphical bump and higher resolution. There are no new gameplay features.
I think people would be much more happy with a smaller, more power efficient version of the PS5 instead.
There’s also questions around the game industry as a whole. I think the recent layoffs at major companies aren’t just another cycle, but systemic. The market no longer bears production of giant games with crazy graphics that cost $70 and have a bunch of DLC and gambling mechanics attached.
Games won’t go away, but they’ll play fine on something like the Steam Deck, Switch 2, or modest gaming PC. What would high end console hardware bring to the table anymore?
Graphics are no longer a major selling point in most cases. Most people would be fine with a good game that works and isn’t saddle with microtransactions, even if it means it will look somewhat worse.
Consoles themselves are a source of microtransactions. Just look at how much money you have to spend to have online play.
Guess how much it costs on Steam. Come on… guess!
About $3.50?
I wouldn’t say graphics have zero bearing for sales but the scales have definitely tipped towards gameplay over the last several years. Minecraft added rtx graphics and the mass majority of people, even with rtx capable cards, just yawned.
Digital game sales, outside of sports titles, are pushed by streaming engagement and riding coat tails of previous games. Look at the recent history and it’s pretty obvious.
Switch 2 will be underpowered and boring.
I’m saying the Switch 2 does not need power, because nothing will be pushing graphics so hard anymore.
the switch 2 IMO needs a power upgrade for sure, my switch 1 struggled to actually play higher ended games, and the actual graphic quality on those games wern’t bad but not the great either.
Nintendon't Rant
That being said, I decided recently that Nintendon’t is a company that doesn’t need my money, between the actively hostile acts to its fan generated content with the shut down of third party non-profit games, it’s prosecution of Gary Bowser(which was the extent of charging a sales associate for the entire companies fraud) and it’s downright abusive treatment of the right to repair and archival/emulation communities. They are basically the Apple of the game development world. I won’t spend money on their stuff anymore.
Current switch needs to stream current and last gen games, they will still need power.
Switch 2 is likely to be around the power level of a PS4, which is good enough for this hypothetical.
Not even higher resolution. I mean, potentially on paper but consoles have been UHD capable(-ish) since the PS4 Pro and higher resolution’s are neither viable nor necessary. So it’ll just upscale a few titles a little less or run some games with a little higher fps…
There’s barely a point to get a normal PS5 yet. I can think of only one game I’m interested in that’s not also on the PS4.
Is it Spider-Man?
It’s Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth.
I’ve still got a regular PS4 and this is the only game making me consider it.
Honestly I’ll probably just wait and get it on PC a year later or whatever.
4K gaming, same with Ps5Pro. But the Pro definitely makes much less sense.
Plus Sony’s sales are going down and with this console they can generate some buzz and sell even more consoles.
4k gaming is nice and all, but I’d never get a new console and a new TV just for that. At that point, I might as well quit buying consoles for good and go for a PC - Sony started releasing more games on steam anyways.
Seems like company decision makers continue to be out of touch with what people want. People seem much more excited about products like the steam deck which play most of your whole library on Linux at very reasonable quality.
I think the console exclusivity game is nearing the end, there’s going to have to be some actual innovation for people to come out of their pockets.
Most people don’t seem to care about the Steam Deck running Linux (I do), but they’ve been wanting a good handheld gaming experience, and nobody is offering it. Nintendo is stuck with decade+ old hardware, the PS Portal doesn’t work w/o network, and the Windows handhelds kind of suck.
Steam Deck works well with minimal effort, and people love it.
I don’t know about the rest of the world but my country is in a recession. There are no jobs and no houses. Rent is huge.
The number of people who can buy expensive toys is going down. People want good value for money, and good value for money is winning the market.
“reasonable quality” lol it’s shit
Yeah, besides the PSSR feature, I’m struggling to see the point in upgrading to this if you already have a PS5. It feels like Sony and Microsoft are just going with plans they made at the start of the generation when they assumed they would need a mid-gen refresh. But with the massive shortages it doesn’t really feel like we’re at the kind of midpoint that calls for a console refresh.
If Microsoft is working on an enhanced model it’s a new development, their console development plans leaked during the Activision purchase thing, it had their next gen plans and the digital only Series X but no enhanced model.
Yes, if they want to grow hardware sales, they should aim for cheaper hardware. Given how most games are still cross-gen, they could have sold a PS5s or smg with a PS4 pro level of performance, but PS5 design, Dualsense features, etc.
I also feel they missed the mark on the Portal, it’s a niche gimmicky tool, instead of a powerful competitor in the growing handheld market.
PS5 Pro is a stupid idea, maybe in 2 years it would make sense, but still doubtful. Due to the slower development of tech and covid supply chain issues, the real start of the generation got “delayed” a few years, which should be taken into account.
The same thing but more FPS. What’s not to understand?
The question is who would want one?
If you’re a big graphics nerd, who really needs the highest quality everything, you probably have a PC. If you’re an average consumer , the PS5 is fine. A PS5 Pro seems unnecessary.
The question is who would want one?
I would, the reasons are simple:
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I am a patient gamer
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I’m a poor gamer lol (bad streak)
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I know there is always gonna be a pro model, or at least an improved slim version, that was not the case this time unfortunately.
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I have a PS4 slim so I can hold on with many many games (also have a huge backlog of PS plus games).
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PS5 does stuff PC still doesn’t.
It’s not enough for me to buy games there first, but mostly because of Steam Deck. Even though PC supports pcie4 as well, the fact that it’s a standardized hardware feature with built in hardware decompression means games can rely on proper loading bandwidth.
Like what?
I said it in that post.
There is no comp on PC for the loading capability the PS5 has. You can’t stream in a world from SSD on PC like you can on PS5.
Even if we were in a world where PCIE 4.0 SSDs faster than PS5’s internal SSD (and 5.0s that are twice as fast that are launching this year) didn’t exist, what is the PS5 doing with all that speed that couldn’t be done on PC?
If you want to say the PS5 and Xbox Series consoles punch above their price bracket, that’s very true, specially at launch; but no console has been more capable than a contemporary PC since the Xbox 360 (or arguably the PS3)
Nothing yet.
It’s not the hardware that’s the problem. (Though again, the built in hardware decompression matters too.) It’s the PC libraries for loading being dogshit. Loading speeds on PS5 with everything identical blow doors off of PC.
And again, I already answered the question in the post you’re replying to. You can stream the much higher quality game from disk in real time.
Didn’t digital foundry report that pc was slightly faster at loading h:fw?
“with everything identical”? Yeah if you had a low end PC it wouldn’t be very good.
It’s not enough for me to buy games there first, but mostly because of Steam Deck. Even though PC supports pcie4 as well, the fact that it’s a standardized hardware feature with built in hardware decompression means games can rely on proper loading bandwidth.
holy ignorance
Do you mean its ability to stream data directly from the SSD to the GPU without the CPU being involved? Because PCs can do the same thing these days.
Here’s the thing though, when you’re CPU-limited (and a lot of the games that struggle on current gen are) the upgrade won’t do much.
You should expect better resolution, ray tracing and possibly better image quality if devs implement PSSSR and it’s better than whatever upscale solution they’d use instead. Maybe if a game is pretty close to hittong its frame target it’ll give you a smoother performance but don’t expect much last that
Frame generation is a thing.
Did they say they have a frame gen solution or did AMD say FSR 3 frame gen would work on the Pro but not regular?
It’s not even an announced product, this is all rumours
If they have something shouldn’t it be on the document they shared with developers? I just wouldn’t expect it unless you really wanna risk disappointment.
I’m saying that asking for information on the details of what is or is not in it, is a bad idea. because we don’t know, you don’t know, anyone getting mad and saying one thing or the other is a bad idea.
saying that it can’t make higher framerates when framegen exists is a bad idea, until we know it doesn’t do that.
i’m so tired of this community, reddit was better. be better.
Frame generation isnt going to help 30 fps console games though. AMD recommends a base of 60 fps, nvidia recommends 45 iirc. Those numbers will improve over time, but likely not fast enough for the ps5/pro gen to use it at 30.
As a lifelong lover of video games, this generation is pretty underwhelming, bar a few exceptions like Gran Turismo 7. I don’t even buy Switch games anymore because the value proposition is so bad. I’d love that Mario RPG remake but instead, I just play the original on an emulator.
