• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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          9 months ago

          I’m pretty sure what something implies is dependent upon the reader’s interpretation. And it looks like many readers think it implies that a non-American is about to land on the moon even if you didn’t think so.

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            The writers intention. You can read there being an implication, but it doesn’t mean it is implied.

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              9 months ago

              Please tell me how you are able to figure out what the writer’s intention is from a headline.

              Because I would think that would require reading the article and no one is complaining about the contents of the article.

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                Tell me how you can, perhaps? I can figure it out because… I can? And the article backs that up.

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                  “I can tell the author’s intent because I can” is circular reasoning and is not rational or logical. What that tells me is that you know that the author’s intent cannot easily be discerned from a headline other than taking it at face value, but you’ve been backed into a corner and refuse to admit it.

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                    you’ve been backed into a corner and refuse to admit it.

                    Another example which is wrong.

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                    9 months ago

                    No. The article also says you are not correct. You didn’t tell me how you can understand it other than what you think. The same logic.

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            9 months ago

            If I say “my brother is traveling to France,” that doesn’t mean “at some point in the future, my brother will travel to France.”

            At least I’ve never heard anyone use “is” followed by an action that way.

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              It’s very clunky in its usage. Which isn’t good English, but neither is the title, so I’m over it.

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              Perhaps you’re not a native speaker, but it absolutely is used that way in real life. My brother is travelling to France in August, for example.

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                So you mean if you add a qualifier, that changes the meaning?

                Are you saying that as he goes to France in August, you would never say “my brother is traveling to France?”

                And you still haven’t answered me about The Wizard of Oz and Fargo.

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                  Because I do not care for weird analogies.

                  You added an example, I made it make clearer sense for you, someone who had never heard of Present Continuous for plans in their lives, apparently.

                  I’m waking up early tomorrow, so I’m done.

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                    So you wouldn’t say “my brother is traveling to France” while he’s on the plane? What do you say? “My brother is will be were traveling to France?”

                    And you claimed you could infer an author’s intent from a title. Therefore you can tell me that you knew for a fact before seeing or hearing about the movie Fargo just from the title alone that only a few seconds of the film took place in Fargo. Correct or not?

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        It doesn’t, it refers to one but can be of many. A person is attending a football match for the first time today. It doesn’t mean no one else is.

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          No. The sentence you posted implies a football match was never before attended by any person.

          If you want to say one of many, you should say Some person/someone.

          Or you can qualify the person. E.g. A non-american astronaut will be landing on the moon for the first time.

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            Nope, because you know football matches have been attended by people. Ignoring basic facts doesn’t make your understand correct, it’s silly.

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              Yes, so we are talking about a sentence in the headline where we don’t have extra context, yet you make an sentence where it is clear the sentence is stupid based on outside context and argue it should be interpreted the other way around because otherwise we know it is stupid. Amazing logic.

              Just because I can deduce what you actually meant does not mean the sentence is correct.

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                  I for one don’t know how many astronauts are being sent to the moon when. And if most people do, no point writing this article, is there?