So you base your voting decision on an abstracted philosophical argument? Maybe take a good look at the US voting system and ask yourself what happens when Trump wins because people like you upheld their “principles”.
I don’t understand why it is so hard to grasp that opposition to an ongoing genocide is not “an abstracted philosophical argument”. Wake the fuck up. It’s real, and it’s happening right now. The guy you insist I vote for is angry at the idea that anyone (not even himself) be held criminally responsible!
The only other option is indefinitely worse, so the responsible thing to do is voting for Biden. You can still oppose the war on Gaza. Protest it. Be loud. Fight to change the shitty undemocratic voting system of the US. Not voting Biden will not save a single life in Gaza. You are the one who needs to wake up.
It’a abstract because you aren’t considering the consequences of your vote. Here are your choices:
Genocide, unions, anti-monopoly actions, infrastructure, healthcare, loan forgiveness, an excellent cabinet, and some other things that I would consider generally good
Genocide, insurrection, corruption, hypocrisy, and literally so many negative things to list that I’m not capable of enumerating even a fraction of the total list
Either of the above is fine, pick whichever
Those are your ONLY three options. It does not matter why you choose one. It does not matter what you believe, what principles you hold, or what you personally would do as president. The future that we find ourselves in comes down to this choice and this choice only. I cannot understand how a good person who understands this would make the wrong choice, so my goal is to make it as easy to understand this as possible.
Your argument is the abstract one. You are laying out what I think are mostly bullshit choices, based on hypotheticals and assumptions (abstract). I am talking about what is happening right now (not abstract).
I am definitely not going to get drawn into the finer points of what Biden has or hasn’t done or even more lamely, what he might or mightn’t do, but I will say this: I do not give one fuck about anything in your list compared to genocide. Like are you for real? Genocide but at least some loan forgiveness? Gross.
You basically just said you don’t care about the future and are only concerned with the present if it relates to the ongoing genocide of Palestinians. You don’t care about how your inaction will affect any other topic. You’re like a fucking horse with blinders on.
Nice job including it in the list. I think it is sick to try to bribe me (with any of those things) into supporting genocide. Also, be honest with yourself, out of all those things you listed do you genuinely think Biden would somehow deliver on any of them (except the genocide)?
I mean, I think it’s cool and good, but it was still lame to downplay the importance of the choice of your vote by choosing it.
bribe
How
supporting genocide
Again, I’ve laid out in great detail why I think it’s the least genocide-supportive action possible for us to make at this time* and therefore why it is explicitly the opposite of supporting genocide.
* voting + direct action would be better, but since that includes voting, it doesn’t matter for my point here
Also, be honest with yourself, out of all those things you listed do you genuinely think Biden would somehow deliver on any of them (except the genocide)?
I really don’t want to have to keep a list, because I think this stuff is obvious, but I feel like at this point I should.
Unions: Biden is the most pro-union president in history. Example:
"Nearly all the major labor unions have endorsed Mr. Biden. The board of the AFL-CIO, which represents 60 unions and has over 12 million members, was one of the first to endorse him in June last year, 17 months before the general election.
Over 30 organized national labor groups have endorsed Mr. Biden, including LiUNA, a construction workers union with many Latino and Black members, and the United Auto Workers (UAW). Many endorsed Mr. Biden in 2020, and exit polling shows he won 56% of union households nationwide, compared to 40% for Trump, nearly double 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s support."
Anti-monopoly actions: Within about one week, the following anti-corporate actions occurred:
An excellent cabinet: idk literally just google them. I’m not explaining how what we have now is better than Betsy DeVos & Co. Biden picked a cabinet and he chose well.
And many other good things that aren’t exciting but are extremely important (here’s the most recent Biden article I’ve seen): https://lemmy.world/post/15676395
So you base your voting decision on an abstracted philosophical argument? Maybe take a good look at the US voting system and ask yourself what happens when Trump wins because people like you upheld their “principles”.
I don’t understand why it is so hard to grasp that opposition to an ongoing genocide is not “an abstracted philosophical argument”. Wake the fuck up. It’s real, and it’s happening right now. The guy you insist I vote for is angry at the idea that anyone (not even himself) be held criminally responsible!
The only other option is indefinitely worse, so the responsible thing to do is voting for Biden. You can still oppose the war on Gaza. Protest it. Be loud. Fight to change the shitty undemocratic voting system of the US. Not voting Biden will not save a single life in Gaza. You are the one who needs to wake up.
It’a abstract because you aren’t considering the consequences of your vote. Here are your choices:
Genocide, unions, anti-monopoly actions, infrastructure, healthcare, loan forgiveness, an excellent cabinet, and some other things that I would consider generally good
Genocide, insurrection, corruption, hypocrisy, and literally so many negative things to list that I’m not capable of enumerating even a fraction of the total list
Either of the above is fine, pick whichever
Those are your ONLY three options. It does not matter why you choose one. It does not matter what you believe, what principles you hold, or what you personally would do as president. The future that we find ourselves in comes down to this choice and this choice only. I cannot understand how a good person who understands this would make the wrong choice, so my goal is to make it as easy to understand this as possible.
Your argument is the abstract one. You are laying out what I think are mostly bullshit choices, based on hypotheticals and assumptions (abstract). I am talking about what is happening right now (not abstract).
I am definitely not going to get drawn into the finer points of what Biden has or hasn’t done or even more lamely, what he might or mightn’t do, but I will say this: I do not give one fuck about anything in your list compared to genocide. Like are you for real? Genocide but at least some loan forgiveness? Gross.
You basically just said you don’t care about the future and are only concerned with the present if it relates to the ongoing genocide of Palestinians. You don’t care about how your inaction will affect any other topic. You’re like a fucking horse with blinders on.
The options are genocide and loan forgiveness, or genocide and no loan forgiveness. Also nice job picking the least important item in that list.
Nice job including it in the list. I think it is sick to try to bribe me (with any of those things) into supporting genocide. Also, be honest with yourself, out of all those things you listed do you genuinely think Biden would somehow deliver on any of them (except the genocide)?
I mean, I think it’s cool and good, but it was still lame to downplay the importance of the choice of your vote by choosing it.
How
Again, I’ve laid out in great detail why I think it’s the least genocide-supportive action possible for us to make at this time* and therefore why it is explicitly the opposite of supporting genocide.
* voting + direct action would be better, but since that includes voting, it doesn’t matter for my point here
I really don’t want to have to keep a list, because I think this stuff is obvious, but I feel like at this point I should.
Unions: Biden is the most pro-union president in history. Example:
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/joe-biden-labor-union-endorsements-donald-trump/?intcid=CNM-00-10abd1h
"Nearly all the major labor unions have endorsed Mr. Biden. The board of the AFL-CIO, which represents 60 unions and has over 12 million members, was one of the first to endorse him in June last year, 17 months before the general election.
Over 30 organized national labor groups have endorsed Mr. Biden, including LiUNA, a construction workers union with many Latino and Black members, and the United Auto Workers (UAW). Many endorsed Mr. Biden in 2020, and exit polling shows he won 56% of union households nationwide, compared to 40% for Trump, nearly double 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s support."
Anti-monopoly actions: Within about one week, the following anti-corporate actions occurred:
The FTC banned nearly all non-compete agreements
A great number of salaried workers will be eligible for overtime pay as the salary cap increases over the next two years
Airlines now have to give cash refunds for basically every corner case that they used to abuse
And finally, the FCC just voted to restore net neutrality
These aren’t all anti-monopoly per se but I had this list on hand and it’s similar enough imo
Infrastructure: See the infrastructure bill and its effects
Healthcare: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/06/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-new-steps-to-lower-prescription-drug-and-health-care-costs-expand-access-to-health-care-and-protect-consumers/
Loan forgiveness: This happens like twice a month, most recently today!
https://apnews.com/article/biden-student-loan-cancellation-debt-forgiveness-60ffeaec17737d6317b4aee188893cc4
An excellent cabinet: idk literally just google them. I’m not explaining how what we have now is better than Betsy DeVos & Co. Biden picked a cabinet and he chose well.
And many other good things that aren’t exciting but are extremely important (here’s the most recent Biden article I’ve seen): https://lemmy.world/post/15676395