The bodies of 109 Palestinians including 23 children and 11 women were taken to Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital, and spokesperson Khalil Degran told the Associated Press that more than 100 wounded also arrived to the hospital. In addition, he said the rest of the 210 Palestinians killed were taken to Al-Awda Hospital after the spokesman said he spoke to the director there. But the numbers at that hospital could not be confirmed by the AP.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to continue the war until all hostages are freed, but Bassem Naim, a senior Hamas official now based in Lebanon, struck a drastically different tone.
“The horrific massacre committed today by Netanyahu and his fascist government against the Palestinian people in Gaza, which led to slaughter of 210 and more than 400 wounded so far — under the pretext of liberating those detained by the resistance — confirms what the resistance has said repeatedly: that Netanyahu doesn’t plan to reach an agreement to stop the war and free the captured Israelis peacefully,” Naim said, according to the Associated Press.
Oh, how terrible. If only someone could, I don’t know, return the remaining hostages and end this. Or stop hiding among civilians. But no,…
PS - downvote away, those who wish Hummus to continue endangering civilians.
PPS - “Your boos mean nothing. I’ve seen what makes you cheer.”
So next time there is a school shooting in america, and the shooter is hiding in the school, we can just bomb the school? I mean, the shooter could have just let the kids go or stop hiding among them. But no…
“Seems safer than going in, I guess”: Uvalde Police
That is an excellent analogy to illustrate why this isn’t a black-and-white situation. Well done, have an upvote!
You’re better than that. The two have nothing to do with each other.
That’s not a great analogy. A great analogy would be if he kidnapped a kid and was hiding in a house full of school-shooters and we would bomb that house to save the kid.
In which case: Yes, that’s a good Idea.
I’m going to ignore the incredibly horrifying insinuation that all Palestinians are Hamas-terrorists, and fix your analogy: what if the school shooters were a group of parents, whose children (who didn’t do anything wrong) are also in the same school. There’s also a couple teachers who can’t do anything against the school shooters out of fear of being fired.
How many innocent teachers and children have to be in the school before bombing the school becomes morally wrong?
Israel has said it will not stop even if they release the rest of the hostages.
Good. “Hamas” needs to go away.
Imagine coming home to find your family was burnt to a crisp and your house and belongings torched by a foreign nation’s military.
Do you expect this person to shrug it off and say “ah just collateral damage” or do you become vulnerable to propaganda from a group that says “I told you so, they’re evil and must be destroyed”?
When we watched Luke Skywalker take up arms and join an armed rebellion against the evil empire after they murdered his family, we all cheered. But when the perpetrator doesn’t look like a comicbook villain, things are suddenly less clear.
Point it, Hamas can’t be defeated like this. Every bombing of a civilian home creates more Hamas terrorists. When left no choice, people will choose violence. And to them it seems clear that Israel gives them no choice. From the safety of our homes we can see that Hamas is not worthy of any praise and that their actions are deeply reprehensible. But they live amongst the rubble caused by Israeli bombs; they won’t see it that way.
This is a violent path that can only lead to genocide, which must be prevented. If we truly want there to be peace, both sides must concede things. Otherwise Hamas or its successor will just come back.
You make a strong point, and all of it makes sense. This is NOT a simple, black-and-white/either-or situation. Upvoted.
I think the Israeli thought might be along the lines of:
Imagine you see your neighbor supporting a bunch of terrorists in their home. Suddenly their home is bombed and turned into a parking lot. Maybe you’ll think long and hard when a terrorist group knocks on your door and asks to hide there for a while. The only problem is, do they ask or just come in uninvited?
Fixing this would ideally not involve guns, but it doesn’t work this way, at least not well. The only way this can end is if Hamas is destroyed and Gaza is occupied - by Israel or the UN - and rising terrorist groups are infiltrated and nullified before they can reach the stage of endangering their neighbors, until the entire population grasps and can control a self-government process.
If the people of Gaza assist in any way in destroying Hamas, this ends sooner and lives are saved. And the people aren’t there yet - Hamas was their government, so…
Again, not a great solution.
But I find it interesting that almost every comment I receive is “But look what the Israelis did to us years and years ago…” These commenters should grow the fuck up. Get over it. And no, I’m not a Native American so I don’t have a first-hand experience of it. But just as the Native Americans fought for years by using raids, kidnappings, outpost torching… wow, this looks familiar. And they didn’t win either. The same thing is going to happen to Hamas and those who support them.
Again, Hamas has publicly stated that they will not stop killing until Israel is wiped off the map. We can figure it out from there how this has to go.
So what’s an acceptable number of innocent people being murdered to recover other innocent people, in this instance four?
Is 100 acceptable? 1000? 10000? Everybody?
As per your P.S. How come you don’t see the same from the Israelis, they’re endangering civilians too?
What the IDF is doing is terroristic, as is what Hamas has done. So either you’re for terrorism or against it, you can’t say it’s ok for one side and not the other.
The fact is Israel is an apartheid state and they have been stealing land for decades. What would you do if you were a victim of this?
Furthermore, the hostages could have been returned many time with any one of the ceasefire deals on the table, but the Israeli government want blood not the hostages.
You deserve an answer. An acceptable number of innocents, in a perfect world, is Zero. But who is in control of that? Hummus.
“Whataboutism” is lame.
Probably not invade, kill and kidnap innocent people, and run away to hide among women and children. But that’s me. Obviously it’s okay for Hummus /s
See above.
It’s too late for that, and Hummus knows it. They could have returned the hostages, but they need to go away. They’ve already stated their goal is to delete Israel, so Israel should just… what? Let the terrorists live and regrow. Also, Israel is proving that if Hummus doesn’t return the hostages, Israel will take them back anyway - and there will be unfortunate casualties because of where Hummus hides, behind women and children. Tough shit for them, I guess, but with Hummus pissing themselves while cowering behind them, they don’t leave much choice.
And let’s not forget, if Hummus is hiding among women and children, women and children could choose to live and turn those assholes in, or overpower them, or… is there an anti-Hummus underground in Gaza? There should be.
So accepting a ceasefire isn’t a viable option. Your bias here is staggering.
As it is when you do it.
There are conventions that says that a state in persecution can defend itself.
Yes both sides are wrong. Just one has a staggering advantage.
The acceptable number of Hamas-Voters is: as many as it takes.
Terrorism must not be rewarded. The gazans voted Hamas into power, they were celebrating on oct 7th. But now that they are the ones under attack, suddenly they don’t want to play anymore. But they obviously also don’t want to exchange the hostages!
When was the last vote and what is the average age. The majority of people alive never voted for Hamas.
So the people currently alive in Gaza don’t support Hamas and don’t want Hamas in power?
Then that’s all the more Reason to support Israel in overthrowing Hamas, no?
Israel isn’t overthrowing Hamas though. They’re actually empowering them by Netanyahu spending the last 17 years sidelining Palestinian moderates. Abbas offered to work with Netanyahu to actively fight Hamas but was turned down, because Netanyahu refused to work with Palestinians of any stripe.
That is 100% correct. But the Israelis hate Nettanyahu because they now realized his policies not insubstantially cause Oct 7th.
Nettanyahu will be impeached and removed democratically after all this is over. Hamas on the other hand can’t be removed democratically. They have to be removed with force. And right now, only the IDF can do that.
Actually no. Netanyahu may be unpopular but he’s been able to avoid elections for a year now.
And Hamas cannot be stopped militarily; killing all these civilians only makes more people support the group. What WOULD cause Hamas to lose support would be to empower moderates, but Netanyahu has spent the last 17 years undermining them and deligitimizing them, even arming Hamas so Palestinians would fight one another. Smotrich yesterday announcing he’s withholding Palestinian tax money to the PA only makes the PA look even weaker since even moderates are unacceptable to the Israeli government and will suffer under Israeli rule despite cooperating with them.
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Correct since they never voted for them.
If you think you can overthrow Hamas you’re insane. Israel have secured the next generation of sign ups by killing people’s entire fucking families.
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Netanyahu has said repeatedly since November that even if all hostages are released he will not stop the war. He turned down multiple ceasefire deals where all the hostages would be returned in exchange for aid. Your comment is simply incorrect.
Quite right! Hamas has pulled this shit far too often. For years they’ve attacked and then run and hide on the playground under women’s skirts. Rinse and repeat. Finally, Hamas has done this once too often. Israel has a big job hunting them down. This time, they get smacked down for good. So what’s not to like?
Hamas HAS to go, no two ways about it. The people of Gaza however can have a good discussion with Israel, and quite frankly the assistance of the world, when the war is over.
Rick and Morty quote, real ironic
everyone gather around, Da_Baby_Killa_1488@lemmy.world has arrived to give his very brave opinion on this massacre.
Oh how terrible if only someone could, I don’t know, return all the stolen land back to the Palestinians and end this…
Also it’s incredibly fucking naive that you think hamas freeing their hostages would end this instead of just giving israel more reason to bomb indiscriminately.
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Dropped this in another thread, feel it’s applicable here.
https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
Took a chance to be racist? Soo cool dude
I am sorry, but calling a fucking terrorist organization names is racist now?
did you even listen when your parents told you the story about the boy who cried wolf?
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“Popular culture Hummus is often seen as an unofficial “national dish” of Israel” - Wikipedia. The use of the term does not indicate nationality, but is meant to denigrate “Hamas”. And I would have got away with it, too, if it weren’t for you kids.
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