“I think it’s going to require a little bit less navel-gazing and a little less whining and being in fetal positions. And it’s going to require Democrats to just toughen up,” Obama said at the fundraiser

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    No no. He came in with a latex spine. Take a look at his cabinet. He did the job rather well but change was never going to come with that group.

    Your economic false dichotomy is funny though. There were a whole range of options like nationalization and criminal charges for executives that did not get explored because centrism.

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      Hindsight is 20/20.

      But no. There was no criminal charges afoot this is why I’m calling y’all idealists. Do you think this country is or was or is going to be clean enough to do any of that, ever?

      Maybe if you do some shady shit too to get it done. But by the book as you’re suggesting? No fuckin way.

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        He did run on “change”. What’s your point? Mindless centrism is realistic? Mine is Obama didn’t get much done, his greatest legacy is the ACA and that is being undone as we speak because of his failures elsewhere.

        Runs a parallel to Biden doing alright generally but completely failing on Merrick Garland negating everything else he did.

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          Mindless centrism is realistic

          Unfortunately kinda yes. Ever had to make choices for a lot of people?? Usually the middle ground is where you’ll land.

          Honestly I don’t agree at all. I think Obama’s greatest criticism is how he handled Russia/Georgia. But again that’s a tough call, you gonna drag America into a second theater of war when everyone is already mad about the first one and calling you a warmonger for literally no reason.

          I just don’t think he’s made such awful decisions as you all are pushing.

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            for no reason? LOL Maybe the reason people call him a warmonger is that he continuously pushed for more war, expanded the military, and killed innocent people.