Former President Trump urged Republicans to dig in as a shutdown looms over Washington, arguing Sunday that President Biden will take the blame if the federal government closes. Congress faces a Se…
Yes. Biden pushed the shutdown button he keeps next to the gas prices lever.
Right above the Inflation Dial.
I thought he just used the magic sharpie on economics reports that Trump used to redirect the hurricane.
FUCKING KNEW IT!
Do you think he has a different button for each Trump indictment, or just an all-in-one button?
It’s hard to know… are we talking about crafty and conniving Joe Biden? If so, it’s a whole console. Or are we talking about Sleepy Joe with dementia? In which case, it’s just one button and someone has to move his hand over it so he can press it.
Yes
One big button that says “DO THE THING”
It’s one of them tilty bobbing birds, how else would you get to whatever the count is now?
Damn that senile Biden, he’s controlling everything with his senility/mastermind!
Probably has that ESPN
Trump presided over the LONGEST GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN A IN HISTORY. And his party controlled all three branches of government.
We all know the Republicans are 100 percent to blame for not having the basic competence to keep the lights on.
I feel like intent to undermine the functioning of the whole US government should be a crime
IANAL, and that crime might be in the sedition/ treason category of crimes. And we have most of a specific political party that has been and continues to engage in this category of crimes.
Add it to the list if you want. It’s pretty far down compared to some of the other stuff he’s done.
Does anyone else think the public is smart enough to blame the shutdown on the guy who keeps loudly pushing for a shutdown?
There’s a good chunk of the public that is unbelievably dumb, so they’ll give whatever cheato Mussolini tells them to believe.
Yes, but they’d have blamed Biden anyway.
Most of the public will blame the Republicans, but Trump and the Republicans don’t care about “most of the public.” They only care about their base.
Their base will definitely believe that the government shutdown is not the fault of the Republicans who refuse to accept any deal, but instead is the fault of the Democrats/Biden for just giving the Republicans 100% of what they demand.
At the same time, they’ll believe that the Republicans caused the shutdown, but that it’s a good thing that they did. Yes, it’s contradictory. No, they don’t care.
The base that will blame biden is in on the lie though. You can ask pointed questions like “so you believe biden vetoed it” or “why cant the house gop vote on a spending bill”. The ones that actually follow politics know enough not to sound stupid. They will keep side stepping the issue until the subject changes. They are disciplined.
They are counting on the low-info types to believe the bothsiderist narrative the feeble “liberal media” is bound to give on this, and either not vote, or vote for t****.
No
He is right, average joe republicans will blame Biden for this, because they have to to protect their identities as republicans, that requires blind loyalty.
Maybe if republicans actually passed a stop gap or something, even if it’s bat shit insane. As of right now, it’s all Republican infighting. The question right now is whether it’s McCarthy or Matt Gaetz fault. Biden isn’t even in the picture right now, it’s not like Republicans can say Biden isn’t giving into their demands or whatever. There are no demands, it’s just Republican on Republican bickering.
Don’t worry. The MAGA Republicans will find a way to blame Biden for this. They won’t let anything like facts get in their way.
It’s weird how they tacitly admit their own policy of shutting down the government on the regular is actually something most people realize is a bad, and hope it is blamed on others.
Demonstrating yet again that most Americans are not really down with the radical conservative agenda, despite the claim that this is a “center-right” country.
I think McConnell and McCarthy have learned that voters blame Republicans for this instead of Democrats, and the debt ceiling standoff around May just hammered that in further. The plurality believed Republicans were at fault for the whole thing.
It’s likely savvy of Republican leadership to avoid another self inflicted crisis like this, especially since House Republicans can’t even pass a 100% Republican bill for starting negotiations.
And as usual, Trump felt left out, and now he’s advocating they take the worst option and insisting that Dems will be blamed instead. I suspect enough House Republicans know he’s full of shit to take this as confirmation they’re going to be the ones who get the blame.
I don’t bother with the right-wing propaganda networks so I don’t know, but I can’t imagine how they might spin this to blame Biden when his administration hasn’t even been involved in the process.
The whole thing hinges on a purely internal conflict not just within Congress, but in the House specifically. How does that even colorably come to be blamed on an entirely separate branch?
I don’t doubt that the propaganda outlets and the grifters will simply lie, and conjure up some entirely different account of things that won’t match up at all with the plain objective reality of the whole thing stalling because a group of hard right House members are demanding concessions and refusing to vote in favor of a budget that doesn’t include them, but I can’t even imagine what it will be, since it will have to be essentially completely false, from start to finish.
Unfortunately, I also don’t doubt that some significant part of the Republican base will believe whatever it is, since they’ve been so thoroughly indoctrinated and made so subject to their emotions that they literally can no longer distinguish between reality and fantasy.
Still though, even with as confused and misled and blinded by emotion as much of the Republican base is, and as brazenly dishonest as the propagandists and grifters that are profiting off of them are, I can’t imagine how it might be the case that Biden will get the blame for this. It’s not just that it’s not narrowly true, but that there isn’t even a colorable basis, as far as I can see, to even pretend that it is.
You’re thinking too logically. Biden is “in charge.” That is enough for Fox News to blanket multiple news cycles with. “Biden ineffectual at preventing shutdown,” “Biden embarrassed as shutdown enters second week,” “Biden nowhere to be found as Congress deadlocks on shutdown reopening plan” and so on. They’re just going to say “Biden” and “shutdown” in the same sentence until a viewer believes - without ever having arrived at the conclusion - that Biden owns the shutdown.
Low-information right-wing viewers have no conception of, or interest in learning, how this all actually works.
What Fox has to say about the shutdown so far:
Surprisingly critical of their own. Interesting.
They finally have their own cancer to fight instead of just being the cancer.
Unlike most cancers, I look forward to watching this one eat the host.
What are they saying on tv though?
I might run a Google search to factcheck something, you won’t catch me watching that brainrot so you tell us
Undoubtedly.
To paraphrase Lily Tomlin, no matter how cynical I get, it’s still not enough.
For the moment, even Fox News isn’t denying the current shitshow is the House’s problem
I wouldn’t even consider fox all that “right-wing” anymore. Besides the hardcore MAGA followers disowned Fox and switched to OAN and NewsMax.
Please don’t let the far-right get away with distorting reality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
Fox News is right-wing, it’s just that we have extremely far right members essentially in control of the GOP.
He’s right.
All the GOP has to do it keep on blaming Biden for it and Fox News will repeat that narrative endlessly.
What’s worse is that other media outlets will as well since Democrats will, as usual, remain quiet and have no marketing behind their message. Democrats will just go ahead and allow Republicans to place all the blame onto Biden because god forbid they ever try to defend themselves.
Yeah, but there is so much tone policing to be done, as well as the decorum and respect for the norms. Meaning, the Democratic Party is supposed to be a punching bag and not pipe up too much about all the gaslighting and the craziness from the hard right. The Democrats are held to a higher standard, at all times, even if they miss a comma somewhere, while the Republicans are held to none whatsoever, and expected to be awful.
Republicans are given one free-pass after another, while Democrats are held to impossibly-high standards.
Who are we kidding? Their base is so delusional it doesn’t matter what happens - they will never vote anything but Rethuglican. One moment Trump is the shadow president actually running the show, the next it’s Biden’s fault but he’s also a clone. It’s amazing they remember to breath on a regular basis.
It isn’t the base that we need to flip. No party can win with ONLY it’s base. It is the roughly 1/3 of Americans who are independents that need to be convinced and increasingly they are rather sick and tired of the social nonsense they see from Democrats. They are sick of the identity politics BS and even if they might otherwise lean Democrat, they might not in the upcoming election.
Historically the public has blamed Republicans for shutting down the government when Republicans shut down the government. The divide in the caucus is between those Republicans in safe districts who have to be extremist in order to avoid getting primaried and those Republicans in competitive districts who might lose their seat in the general if the public blames the GOP for the shutdown. The Democrats mostly just have to message that they will take a reasonable deal to avoid the shutdown and let the rest be McCarthy’s problem.
Eh, it didn’t work out for them the last two times they tried. Despite the conservatives decades long war against “the government”, their local economies are just as reliant on government spending as anyone else.
A shut down always hits red states harder, they’re for the most part more dependent on federal funding for their social care. They typically also have more military bases, government agencies, and defense contractors as well.
So while you typically see more conservative cohesion, even with policy the majority of conservative politicians may not agree with… the one thing you still can’t do as a conservative is fuck with the bag. Conservatives = keep the money flowing, and the easiest way to do that is by capturing increased government spending, not shutting off the tap.
their local economies are just as reliant on government spending as anyone else.
Do you actually think they understand that? I know ex-military who get a monthly pension who can’t stop bad-mouthing the big bad gob’ment. Or ones who work for government contractors - literally their job is directly dependent on government money - and they are always complaining on how much money the gob’ment wastes on “useless” programs.
What kills me is that Democrats typically let people like these slide by lessening the hurt that they would otherwise feel if something happened to that gob’ment they hate so much. If I am not mistaken, last time, Dems were quick to propose that military members continued to get paid even when the government was shut down. All that does is soften the blow. It actually makes it easier for Republicans to force a shut down because they won’t be harassed as much by their military members since they will still get paid. If you’re not feeling the pain from a shut down, then you are more likely to support it.
They will get visibly agitated when this is pointed out, by the way. I remember asking someone who was complaining about “all the government waste” and blaming it on Obama at the time : “don’t you work for [big defense contractor]? And all their money comes from the government?”
Lots of denial and anger followed. From a simple question that, if answered honestly, will utterly pierce their narrative…
We must know the same people! LOL
My theory is that a certain type of personality gets even more reactionary and “anti-government” the more they are on the dole. They wouldn’t want their job/services cut, but they’ll complain about “waste” and the supposedly lazy and undeserving having a job/getting some services…{ dog whistle }
Do you actually think they understand that?
The politicians do, and that’s all that really matters. Why do you think corporations give them hundreds of thousands of dollars every year? I can tell you it’s not to turn off the free government money.
I just love how Republicans have dropped all pretebxi to care and talk directly about sabotaging their country and government and then blame " the other side"
At this point I’d argue that This group is closer to a terrorist organization than a political party
Every time the Republican economic terrorists do this shit, they get blamed. They are just too stupid to learn.
they get blamed
But does anything actually happen?
Are there any actual consequences?
Usually they get rewarded with the concessions they want from the Democrats who are scared of being blamed for Republicans’ actions.
So it sounds like, contrary to what the previous comment said, republicans do learn just fine. They learn that they can get away with it.
Obviously there are consequences. They get re-elected by their knuckle-dragging base.
Exactly. What we see as terrible breaches of ethics and integrity, conservatives see as “winning”. And they like winning.
Speaker of the House literally indicated he’d do this in his Inauguration speech
I think it’s reasonable to blame them, even charge them for the crimes they have done (people have suffered previously), and continue to do. Seriously.
There’s so much wrong here I don’t know where to start.
Absolute traitor.
A free vacation for Federal Government Employees, at least those who knew to save up. Republicans do this every two years.
If the government pegs your job as necessary, you still get to show up to work.
With no pay. Essentially slavery.
well, they’ll supposedly get paid when the government comes back.
At this point, I’m not so sure the government will come back.
Honestly, it will last for a few days, maybe four.
How are we constantly out of money? This seems to happen every few months. Rather than trying to borrow our way out of debt we need to learn to live within our means. Our government is a total mess.
We’re not and never have been, shutdowns are just a refusal to allocate an operational budget.
Is he wrong?
Trump? always
How? Americans don’t really understand how their government works, they just blame the president whenever something goes wrong.
Thanks Obama.
How old are you?
31 lol
Been around long enough to be extremely disappointed in American voters
Ok generic and unskilled misinformationman
Morons will blame Biden, shutdown or no
Exactly. The people down voting me are way too optimistic about the average American.
As far as I’m aware, every time the GOP has shut down the government, it’s backfired on them. It seems to be the one thing that voters are able to reliably correctly lay blame for, so yeah, I’d say he’s wrong.
Honestly, I kinda wonder why that is? Like, why is this the one thing they cannot reliably deflect the blame for? They manage it for just about all their other bullshit.
Since we’re asking rhetorical questions: are you stupid?
Yeah I’m dumb as fuck, but that’s not really relevant. When bad things happen, Americans blamr the president. Deal with it.
How about “no”?
No what? Americans don’t blame the president when bad things happen?
“You and yours” may be simple, but don’t assume the same for “me and mine”, fucking thanks.
I’m sure you’re very smart and not just another dumb American
