So, that’s how we are calling echo-chambers nowadays?
competing racialized “supremacies” being violently enforced
Hum… Do you consider the Japan part of the “West”? Because that’s a very famous one.
About ahistoricity, well, if you really want to go following the idea around, go for it. IMO it’s a nasty time-sink that won’t add anything of value to one’s life. But well, you are free do disagree.
Then this should be easy for you - prove the existence of this “yellow supremacy” that (somehow) grew up independently from the west’s (yes - as in the West’s) “race science.”
IMO it’s a nasty time-sink that won’t add anything of value to one’s life.
Soooo, again… I thought you libs were above ahistoricity?
Then this should be easy for you - prove the existence of this “yellow supremacy” that (somehow) grew up independently from the west’s (yes - as in the West’s) “race science.”
we got:
The Japanese, whose racism dates back several hundred years before they had any meaningful contact with “the west” (for example the heavenly blessed Japanese being aided by the divine wind to stop the invading mongols TWICE).
The Chinese, Han suprematism played a key part in the overthrow of the Mongol Yuan dynasty and lead to the Ming dynasty.
the Ottoman Empire was literally controlled by an “elite race” of people who were decedents from the original Osman tribe
and that’s just off the top of my head, all race science did was take the same societal structures that used to be “divinely ordained” and use pseudo-science to legitimize them since the power of individual religious group tended to decline
No, no, no, Clyde - the only thing you’ve managed to prove, genius, is that you don’t have the foggiest clue what “racism” (ie, white supremacism) even is.
“Divinely justified” nationalism isn’t race science, Clyde - so far, that’s the only thing you’ve managed to trot out as “proof” that the west didn’t invent this and is, to this day, still defined by it’s tenets. You’re going to have to do better. Much, much better.
you realize that racism isn’t just white supremacy?
and no, divine right on a national basis IS the same thing as race science, race its self is a social construct that isn’t actually representative of reality, and generally speaking was/is/will be used as a pseudonym replacement for nationality.
it seems to me that you have a half-baked understanding of racism, nationalism, and discrimination
you realize that racism isn’t just white supremacy?
Why is it the people who knows the least about this that are always the first to argue vehemently about it, eh?
I hate to be the one to break it to you, Clyde - the concept of “biological race” only exists within the framework invented by white supremacists and no-one else.
The Japanese and the Chinese never thought of themselves as a “Yellow” or “Asiatic” “race” - people in Africa never thought of themselves as “Black” or “Brown.”
Those racial classifications were entirely invented - and subsequently enforced through violent repression and exploitation - by white supremacists.
So no… because you don’t even have a basic understanding of the subject matter you have been unable to provide any evidence that “race science” is some “universal invention” of humanity - and guess what that means, Clyde? It means you don’t get to hide from the legacy of white supremacism and it’s fundamental association with “Western” civilization.
the concept of “biological race” only exists within the framework invented by white supremacists and no-one else.
Why is it the people who knows the least about this that are always the first to argue vehemently about it, eh?
the concept of race and racism in general predates the concept of white supremacy by a long, long time, Aristotle described the Asian race as having low spirit etc…
the idea of the “white race” didn’t exist until very late 17th to 18th century America, coming about primarily as a way to distinguish oneself from outsiders, hence many groups you would consider “white” weren’t even part of it, e.g. Italians and Irish, Germans until the 19th century (yes the confederates)
Fundamentally, Race is a pre-nation state notion that many of the modern nation states are built on, so if you see a 800BCE righting talk about a group of people, it’s basically always race and racism, scientific racism is just a continuation and further attempt to justify this and not inherently special in terms of racism, because fundamentally it’s just the application of the currently accepted idea of how you describe the world onto racism.
Aristotle described the Asian race as having low spirit etc
Did you even bother to find out how Aristotle’s world bothered to define “race” before you decided to use him as a prop to hide behind, genius? Was it cultural? Biological? Did they have a “One-drop” rule?
No?
Stop pretending that any smidgen of bigotry you find in a history book (somehow) equates to the institutionalized racialized caste system you were born into.
coming about primarily as a way to distinguish oneself from outsiders
No, no, no, Clyde - say it the way it is. Whiteness, and it’s placement at the top of the racialized caste system that we call white supremacism, was invented to justify and facilitate the massive and unprecedented exploitation and/or extermination of colonized people - and that is the order of things you and the rest of us was born into.
Fundamentally, Race is a pre-nation state notion
So which one will you be hiding behind this time, eh?
Did you even bother to find out how Aristotle’s world bothered to define “race” before you decided to use him as a prop to hide behind, genius? Was it cultural? Biological? Did they have a “One-drop” rule?
while “race” was a nebulous concept then as well, (i mean take white for example, useless in Europe) what he described was more akin to the “biological race” of today.
but you don’t actually care about the function of systems of bigotry, do you? because your entire world view only works in the VERY specific, VERY American context, my grandfather was what people toss into the group people call gypsy (was Romani), he was no darker than any other Italian, by your understanding of racism he should have been fine, because he had the same “whiteness” as the other Italians, in reality, he survived because a priest helped smuggle him to Spain forging paperwork in order to cross France.
Fact is that racism has existed long before “whiteness” was even a concept, you have a 100% American lens and like every American believe you are the literal world, you can not fathom the very idea that anything happened before America existed, so you have this full on chauvinist understanding of racism, I will say this again because your education system has failed you, scientific racism is just the modern application of divine right racism, in fact the divine right racism was what justified colonialism long before anyone even bothered with scientific racism, scientific racism only appearing some 200 years after the start of colonialism mainly because the power of the church went on a stark decline.
So, that’s how we are calling echo-chambers nowadays?
Hum… Do you consider the Japan part of the “West”? Because that’s a very famous one.
About ahistoricity, well, if you really want to go following the idea around, go for it. IMO it’s a nasty time-sink that won’t add anything of value to one’s life. But well, you are free do disagree.
Then this should be easy for you - prove the existence of this “yellow supremacy” that (somehow) grew up independently from the west’s (yes - as in the West’s) “race science.”
Soooo, again… I thought you libs were above ahistoricity?
we got:
The Japanese, whose racism dates back several hundred years before they had any meaningful contact with “the west” (for example the heavenly blessed Japanese being aided by the divine wind to stop the invading mongols TWICE).
The Chinese, Han suprematism played a key part in the overthrow of the Mongol Yuan dynasty and lead to the Ming dynasty.
the Ottoman Empire was literally controlled by an “elite race” of people who were decedents from the original Osman tribe
and that’s just off the top of my head, all race science did was take the same societal structures that used to be “divinely ordained” and use pseudo-science to legitimize them since the power of individual religious group tended to decline
LOL!
No, no, no, Clyde - the only thing you’ve managed to prove, genius, is that you don’t have the foggiest clue what “racism” (ie, white supremacism) even is.
“Divinely justified” nationalism isn’t race science, Clyde - so far, that’s the only thing you’ve managed to trot out as “proof” that the west didn’t invent this and is, to this day, still defined by it’s tenets. You’re going to have to do better. Much, much better.
Go… you’ve got your work cut out for you.
you realize that racism isn’t just white supremacy?
and no, divine right on a national basis IS the same thing as race science, race its self is a social construct that isn’t actually representative of reality, and generally speaking was/is/will be used as a pseudonym replacement for nationality.
it seems to me that you have a half-baked understanding of racism, nationalism, and discrimination
Why is it the people who knows the least about this that are always the first to argue vehemently about it, eh?
I hate to be the one to break it to you, Clyde - the concept of “biological race” only exists within the framework invented by white supremacists and no-one else.
The Japanese and the Chinese never thought of themselves as a “Yellow” or “Asiatic” “race” - people in Africa never thought of themselves as “Black” or “Brown.”
Those racial classifications were entirely invented - and subsequently enforced through violent repression and exploitation - by white supremacists.
So no… because you don’t even have a basic understanding of the subject matter you have been unable to provide any evidence that “race science” is some “universal invention” of humanity - and guess what that means, Clyde? It means you don’t get to hide from the legacy of white supremacism and it’s fundamental association with “Western” civilization.
the concept of race and racism in general predates the concept of white supremacy by a long, long time, Aristotle described the Asian race as having low spirit etc…
the idea of the “white race” didn’t exist until very late 17th to 18th century America, coming about primarily as a way to distinguish oneself from outsiders, hence many groups you would consider “white” weren’t even part of it, e.g. Italians and Irish, Germans until the 19th century (yes the confederates)
Fundamentally, Race is a pre-nation state notion that many of the modern nation states are built on, so if you see a 800BCE righting talk about a group of people, it’s basically always race and racism, scientific racism is just a continuation and further attempt to justify this and not inherently special in terms of racism, because fundamentally it’s just the application of the currently accepted idea of how you describe the world onto racism.
Did you even bother to find out how Aristotle’s world bothered to define “race” before you decided to use him as a prop to hide behind, genius? Was it cultural? Biological? Did they have a “One-drop” rule?
No?
Stop pretending that any smidgen of bigotry you find in a history book (somehow) equates to the institutionalized racialized caste system you were born into.
No, no, no, Clyde - say it the way it is. Whiteness, and it’s placement at the top of the racialized caste system that we call white supremacism, was invented to justify and facilitate the massive and unprecedented exploitation and/or extermination of colonized people - and that is the order of things you and the rest of us was born into.
So which one will you be hiding behind this time, eh?
while “race” was a nebulous concept then as well, (i mean take white for example, useless in Europe) what he described was more akin to the “biological race” of today.
but you don’t actually care about the function of systems of bigotry, do you? because your entire world view only works in the VERY specific, VERY American context, my grandfather was what people toss into the group people call gypsy (was Romani), he was no darker than any other Italian, by your understanding of racism he should have been fine, because he had the same “whiteness” as the other Italians, in reality, he survived because a priest helped smuggle him to Spain forging paperwork in order to cross France.
Fact is that racism has existed long before “whiteness” was even a concept, you have a 100% American lens and like every American believe you are the literal world, you can not fathom the very idea that anything happened before America existed, so you have this full on chauvinist understanding of racism, I will say this again because your education system has failed you, scientific racism is just the modern application of divine right racism, in fact the divine right racism was what justified colonialism long before anyone even bothered with scientific racism, scientific racism only appearing some 200 years after the start of colonialism mainly because the power of the church went on a stark decline.